Can you be offside if you collect the ball in your own half?

Buzzer · Mar 9, 2014

There's some dispute amongst the people I discussed this with after the game. In the first half, Lingard (I think) was the last man and just in the Reading half as the ball was played but collected it well inside the Brighton half but was given offside. Is this correct? Some people said yes, others said no. I went with 'no'.

(Won't mention some of the other offside decisions given by the lino on the West Stand line that were clearly wrong - no debates there.)

dougdeep · Mar 9, 2014

Goldstone Rapper · Mar 9, 2014

Offside decisions relate to when the ball is played to a player. So whether Lingard collects the ball in his or their half is immaterial.

Da Man Clay · Mar 9, 2014

Goldstone Rapper said:
Offside decisions relate to when the ball is played to a player. So whether Lingard collects the ball in his or their half is immaterial.

Is very much the correct answer.

Pogue Mahone · Mar 9, 2014

dougdeep said:
No.

Yes.

Buzzer stated that Lingard was in the Reading half when the ball was played. This was when he was offside. The fact that he was in his own half when he collected the ball is immaterial as he was offside when the ball was played.

Barrel of Fun · Mar 9, 2014

Yes/No and the BBC confirms my thoughts...

OFFSIDE ESSENTIALS

Here are a few more things to remember.

You can't be offside if:

You receive the ball directly from a goal kick, a throw-in or a corner
You are in your own half of the pitch
You are level with the second last or last two opponents
You are level with or behind the ball
You are not actively involved in play, as explained above
For any offside offence, the referee awards an indirect free-kick to the opposing team, to be taken from the place where the infringement occurred.

However, in this instance, Lingard was offside for being offside as he was offside.

upthealbion1970 · Mar 9, 2014

Pogue Mahone said:
Yes.

Buzzer stated that Lingard was in the Reading half when the ball was played. This was when he was offside. The fact that he was in his own half when he collected the ball is immaterial as he was offside when the ball was played.

What he said

Kuipers Supporters Club · Mar 9, 2014

Yes 100%. I wasn't at the game , but I know the situation you are talking about.

If, when the ball is kicked a player is in an offside position, and regardless of where he receives the ball from the pass, i.e in your own half, he is offiside.

Otherwise you could have players standing well offside, waiting for the ball to be kicked and then running and getting the ball in their own half.

dougdeep · Mar 9, 2014

Pogue Mahone said:
Yes.

Buzzer stated that Lingard was in the Reading half when the ball was played. This was when he was offside. The fact that he was in his own half when he collected the ball is immaterial as he was offside when the ball was played.

But was he actively involved? He was obviously moving back from an offside position which is ok.

Hillian1 · Mar 9, 2014

Da Man Clay said:
Is very much the correct answer.

Yes it is, but the resulting free kick has to be taken from where he was offside not where he collected ball.

Pogue Mahone · Mar 9, 2014

dougdeep said:
But was he actively involved? He was obviously moving back from an offside position which is ok.

Of course he was actively involved. The pass was played to him!

Pogue Mahone · Mar 9, 2014

Hillian1 said:
Yes it is, but the resulting free kick has to be taken from where he was offside not where he collected ball.

Absolutely. This is also the case in all other offside decisions.

Goldstone Rapper · Mar 9, 2014

dougdeep said:
But was he actively involved? He was obviously moving back from an offside position which is ok.

He was actively involved because he was able to receive the ball from the pass.

The Wookiee · Mar 9, 2014

It's when the ball was played, not when he received it.

franks brother · Mar 9, 2014

Torres goal against Barcelona was in his own half when he received the ball.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReK1waJFhLI

Seagull1989 · Mar 9, 2014

It doesnt matter where you collect the ball it is where the player is standing when the ball is PLAYED!

Questions · Mar 9, 2014

Goldstone Rapper said:
Offside decisions relate to when the ball is played to a player. So whether Lingard collects the ball in his or their half is immaterial.

But surely he only becomes active when he actually receives the ball.

bhawoddy · Mar 9, 2014

Questions said:
But surely he only becomes active when he actually receives the ball.

If the ball is played to a player who is standing in an offside position, who then collects the ball in an onside position, he's still offside. Can't believe this is even being debated.

Questions · Mar 9, 2014

bhawoddy said:
If the ball is played to a player who is standing in an offside position, who then collects the ball in an onside position, he's still offside. Can't believe this is even being debated.

But he is not offside I he receives it in his own half is he ? I thought that was what Buzzer meant.

Pogue Mahone · Mar 9, 2014

Questions said:
But surely he only becomes active when he actually receives the ball.

Yes he does. But then, where he was standing at the moment the ball was played is taken into account, and at that moment he was offside.

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