An hour to save your life

NS Herald · Mar 5, 2014

Haven't seen this posted elsewhere so apols if already covered.

An absolutely brilliant programme last night - emotional - dramatic - heart warming - a real roller coaster and a fascinating look at the critical role of the first hour in a major trauma and how the emergency services and more specifically, specialist Doctors at the scene can make the difference between life and death and the extremely fine dividing line between one or the other.

For anyone who would like to watch again on iPlayer here is the link http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b03xkxzh/An_Hour_to_Save_Your_Life_At_the_Scene/

I couldn't help but think while watching how so few individuals can have such a major affect on the survival of a human being not to mention the knock on to family and friends of those involved and how we have got SO WRONG the remuneration to our footballing 'heroes' who earn SO MUCH for doing so little by comparison.

I will leave it up to others if they want to debate the pro's and con's and am sure the usual arguments will surface.

However IMHO a programme like this puts into perspective true values of life which I believe demonstrates how in certain areas we as a society have lost touch with reality with massively over rewarding certain areas and undervaluing and underappreciating others.

banjo · Mar 5, 2014

Very good.

Brian Fantana · Mar 5, 2014

If remuneration was decided based solely upon skills and contribution to society, those trauma doctors would be WELL towards the top of the tree.

A good friend of mine works in that field and, although he absolutely loves what he does, the strain and stress that comes with the territory is obvious, and something which cannot be underestimated. To an extent, doctors in those types of situations have to try and be as clinical as possible, but it must be virtually impossible not to want to beat yourself up if you cannot save someone.

Notters · Mar 5, 2014

I guess a lot of it comes down to the capitalist pressures of supply and demand. If there were as many people with the skills required to be premiership footballers as there are with the skills to be doctors and nurses then they would be paid less. But being a good footballer requires very specific skill which are inate, whereas obviously being a medical professional requires a wide range of skills, a lot of which are learned.

Brian Fantana · Mar 5, 2014

Notters said:
I guess a lot of it comes down to the capitalist pressures of supply and demand. If there were as many people with the skills required to be premiership footballers as there are with the skills to be doctors and nurses then they would be paid less. But being a good footballer requires very specific skill which are inate, whereas obviously being a medical professional requires a wide range of skills, a lot of which are learned.

Added to this, the obvious commercial revenues which are inherent within the sports and entertainment industries. It's unlikely that a major corporation is going to pay hundreds of millions of pound to put their logos on the front/back of doctors' coats!

Seagull over Canaryland · Mar 5, 2014

Excellent programme. The NHS gets so much flak but so much of the good work is often overlooked.

Watching it does prompt questions about whther you or a loved one might get similar treatment. There is still a postcode lottery and you have to hope that you are in one of the optimum areas if its your unlucky time to suffer a major trauma. That young girl who suffered a cardiac arrest in central London was fortunate to have the only dedicated cardiac response team anywhere look after her but even so it looked on a knife edge. Paramedics are brilliant but realistically you would not get such specialist immediate care in most of the country, even so it was remarkable that she survived and has a decent quality of life. Amazing.

Watching this programme and others like 'Helicopter Heroes' suggests that your chances are significantly enhanced with the availability of an air ambulance, plus many of the helicopters are not normally authorised to fly after dark. Secondly that you are then taken to a trauma centre / A&E that has the skills and equipment to make a difference, and casualties on trollies are ambulances aren't queuing to be admitted.

banjo · Mar 5, 2014

Seagull over Canaryland said:
Excellent programme. The NHS gets so much flak but so much of the good work is often overlooked.

Watching it does prompt questions about whther you or a loved one might get similar treatment. There is still a postcode lottery and you have to hope that you are in one of the optimum areas if its your unlucky time to suffer a major trauma. That young girl who suffered a cardiac arrest in central London was fortunate to have the only dedicated cardiac response team anywhere look after her but even so it looked on a knife edge. Paramedics are brilliant but realistically you would not get such specialist immediate care in most of the country, even so it was remarkable that she survived and has a decent quality of life. Amazing.

Watching this programme and others like 'Helicopter Heroes' suggests that your chances are significantly enhanced with the availability of an air ambulance, plus many of the helicopters are not normally authorised to fly after dark. Secondly that you are then taken to a trauma centre / A&E that has the skills and equipment to make a difference, and casualties on trollies are ambulances aren't queuing to be admitted.

The old guy was a farmer who was crushed by a cow, but can't remember how rural he's location was ? Agree that we are very lucky having the NHS.

drew · Mar 6, 2014

NS Herald said:
Haven't seen this posted elsewhere so apols if already covered.

An absolutely brilliant programme last night - emotional - dramatic - heart warming - a real roller coaster and a fascinating look at the critical role of the first hour in a major trauma and how the emergency services and more specifically, specialist Doctors at the scene can make the difference between life and death and the extremely fine dividing line between one or the other.

For anyone who would like to watch again on iPlayer here is the link http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b03xkxzh/An_Hour_to_Save_Your_Life_At_the_Scene/

I couldn't help but think while watching how so few individuals can have such a major affect on the survival of a human being not to mention the knock on to family and friends of those involved and how we have got SO WRONG the remuneration to our footballing 'heroes' who earn SO MUCH for doing so little by comparison.

I will leave it up to others if they want to debate the pro's and con's and am sure the usual arguments will surface.

However IMHO a programme like this puts into perspective true values of life which I believe demonstrates how in certain areas we as a society have lost touch with reality with massively over rewarding certain areas and undervaluing and underappreciating others.

Getting fed up with stupid posts like this. Perhaps the OP would like to tell us what he does for a living and whether his wage is more than that of a paramedic. Or maybe have a go at the bankers who are two a penny in London yet earn bonuses of over a million but when they screw up they basically **** up everyone elses life (which recently has translated in wage freezes for the public sector!!!).

Perhaps instead of attacking footballers that operate in a free market the OP could engage his/her brain!!!

I don't think anyone undervalues the work of those that save our lives other than the government of the day that decides their wages!

Fungus · Mar 6, 2014

drew said:
Getting fed up with stupid posts like this. Perhaps the OP would like to tell us what he does for a living and whether his wage is more than that of a paramedic. Or maybe have a go at the bankers who are two a penny in London yet earn bonuses of over a million but when they screw up they basically **** up everyone elses life (which recently has translated in wage freezes for the public sector!!!).

Perhaps instead of attacking footballers that operate in a free market the OP could engage his/her brain!!!

I don't think anyone undervalues the work of those that save our lives other than the government of the day that decides their wages!

Idiot.

drew · Mar 6, 2014

Oxy McFloppie-Tish said:
Idiot.

Don' be so harsh on yourself! I'll make it easier for you. Why does the OP single out footballers as if they are the only ones whose pay doesn't reflect their contribution to the wellbeing of the rest of society. Why, because it doesn't require engaging your brain, much like your post!!!!

Paramedics, Nurses, social workers etc don't get enough pay for what they do because that is what successive governments can get away with paying.

The OP bemoans what footballers own, as do so many people, but how many of those continue to pay their sky subscriptions to fund those wages. All those that buy sky sports are the ones that have driven up footballers wages, not the other way round.

Fungus · Mar 6, 2014

drew said:
Don' be so harsh on yourself! I'll make it easier for you. Why does the OP single out footballers as if they are the only ones whose pay doesn't reflect their contribution to the wellbeing of the rest of society. Why, because it doesn't require engaging your brain, much like your post!!!!

Paramedics, Nurses, social workers etc don't get enough pay for what they do because that is what successive governments can get away with paying.

The OP bemoans what footballers own, as do so many people, but how many of those continue to pay their sky subscriptions to fund those wages. All those that buy sky sports are the ones that have driven up footballers wages, not the other way round.

You don't get it do you? What sensible content there is in your posts, is lost because of your arrogant attitude to everyone else.

Phat Baz 68 · Mar 6, 2014

NS Herald said:
Haven't seen this posted elsewhere so apols if already covered.

An absolutely brilliant programme last night - emotional - dramatic - heart warming - a real roller coaster and a fascinating look at the critical role of the first hour in a major trauma and how the emergency services and more specifically, specialist Doctors at the scene can make the difference between life and death and the extremely fine dividing line between one or the other.

For anyone who would like to watch again on iPlayer here is the link http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b03xkxzh/An_Hour_to_Save_Your_Life_At_the_Scene/

I couldn't help but think while watching how so few individuals can have such a major affect on the survival of a human being not to mention the knock on to family and friends of those involved and how we have got SO WRONG the remuneration to our footballing 'heroes' who earn SO MUCH for doing so little by comparison.

I will leave it up to others if they want to debate the pro's and con's and am sure the usual arguments will surface.

However IMHO a programme like this puts into perspective true values of life which I believe demonstrates how in certain areas we as a society have lost touch with reality with massively over rewarding certain areas and undervaluing and underappreciating others.

Some of the nastier idiots in this country that used to come through A&E when I worked in there would do well to watch this program.
They just have no idea !!!
And the timewasters , hoax callers and NHS moaners too.

drew · Mar 6, 2014

Oxy McFloppie-Tish said:
You don't get it do you? What sensible content there is in your posts, is lost because of your arrogant attitude to everyone else.

Then learn to read (and think!).

Fungus · Mar 6, 2014

drew said:
Then learn to read (and think!).

Yep, you're doing it again...

drew · Mar 6, 2014

Oxy McFloppie-Tish said:
Yep, you're doing it again...

. And what exactly have you contributed?

NS Herald · Mar 6, 2014

drew said:
. And what exactly have you contributed?

Somewhat more than your condescending attitude.

I did engage my brain thanks and clearly you have other views so eloquently expressed.

Feel free to carry you with your lack of perspective - I'm sure it won't be long.

Shropshire Seagull · Mar 6, 2014

drew said:
Don' be so harsh on yourself! I'll make it easier for you. Why does the OP single out footballers as if they are the only ones whose pay doesn't reflect their contribution to the wellbeing of the rest of society. Why, because it doesn't require engaging your brain, much like your post!!!!

Paramedics, Nurses, social workers etc don't get enough pay for what they do because that is what successive governments can get away with paying.

The OP bemoans what footballers own, as do so many people, but how many of those continue to pay their sky subscriptions to fund those wages. All those that buy sky sports are the ones that have driven up footballers wages, not the other way round.

Okay, let me have a go, since I don't pay for a football season ticket nor subscribe to sky, I cannot be accused of contributing to driving up footballers wages.

Bring it down to the common denominator - how much per hour is an average professional footballer paid [20 hours per week inc matches, training and team meetings?] compared to an average NHS doctor / surgeon [50-60-70 hours per week with overtime?]. Sure the exact maths will be guesswork, but even with a guess, I suspect the contribution to society is not equitable when these two careers are compared.

I have engaged my brain and I agree, anyone who thinks that footballers are "worth their pay" compared to a NHS doctor is an idiot.

Seagull over Canaryland · Mar 6, 2014

Shropshire Seagull said:
Okay, let me have a go, since I don't pay for a football season ticket nor subscribe to sky, I cannot be accused of contributing to driving up footballers wages.

Bring it down to the common denominator - how much per hour is an average professional footballer paid [20 hours per week inc matches, training and team meetings?] compared to an average NHS doctor / surgeon [50-60-70 hours per week with overtime?]. Sure the exact maths will be guesswork, but even with a guess, I suspect the contribution to society is not equitable when these two careers are compared.

I have engaged my brain and I agree, anyone who thinks that footballers are "worth their pay" compared to a NHS doctor is an idiot.

I agree with your view but I guess we should also bear in mind that the average professional footballer won't be on £300k per week, more like £3k (if that) and has to optimise his income over a playing career of say 10 years, if really lucky. Also bear in mind that only a small portion of that time are they actually playing in games ie the bit that the public pay to see and expect results from. Whereas a surgeon might be on £80k pa (?) but over a 30 year career - plus a much higher portion of his/her working time will be devoted to the critical work ie the lifesaving bit that the public expect.

On balance I 'd far rather see Rooney's £300k pw funding an air ambulance and a dedicated mobile cardiac team, as featured in the TV programme.

drew · Mar 6, 2014

NS Herald said:
Somewhat more than your condescending attitude.

I did engage my brain thanks and clearly you have other views so eloquently expressed.

Feel free to carry you with your lack of perspective - I'm sure it won't be long.

Firstly, my comment about contribution was not aimed at you, it was directed at OMT who hasn't added anything to the arguments. However, now you mention perspective, where have I said that a footballer such as those at the top of the wage tree, are worth more than a doctor, or a paramedic etc. My point was why did you just single out footballers (and a small proportion of them come to that) rather than other professions that earn more than their contribution to society. Bankers have screwed us over, musicians such as Adele earn a fortune, film stars can earn £10m for a few months work (probably most of which is spent in a trailer) yet it is only footballers that get it in the neck. As someone else said, it is not every footballer that earns £300k a week.

Shropshire Seagull said:
Okay, let me have a go, since I don't pay for a football season ticket nor subscribe to sky, I cannot be accused of contributing to driving up footballers wages.

Bring it down to the common denominator - how much per hour is an average professional footballer paid [20 hours per week inc matches, training and team meetings?] compared to an average NHS doctor / surgeon [50-60-70 hours per week with overtime?]. Sure the exact maths will be guesswork, but even with a guess, I suspect the contribution to society is not equitable when these two careers are compared.

I have engaged my brain and I agree, anyone who thinks that footballers are "worth their pay" compared to a NHS doctor is an idiot.

Sorry but I'm not arguing about whether a footballer is worth more to society than a doctor so hourly rates have bugger all to do with it. However, if you want to, why don't you work out how much an hour Adele earns, or why 5 bankers at Barclays were reported to earn £110m between them.

If worth to society was rewarded then footballers would be back on a maximum wage and the emergency services would be the ones owning the homes in Wilmslow or where ever it is that the rich footballers reside.

So, I agree, that anyone that thinks a footballer is worth more than an NHS Doctor is an idiot. However, I'm not sure anyone on this thread has argued that!

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