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O/T PC Keith Blakelock



Lenny Rider

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Sep 15, 2010
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Clearly with a trial going on I wont get myself, Bozza or NSC in trouble by making a specific comment about events in court, but what brave and amazing people the late PC Blakelock's wife and sons must be, to have gone through all of this for all of these years?


Puts a lot of things debated on here into perspective.
 


amexee

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Jun 19, 2011
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haywards heath
Clearly with a trial going on I wont get myself, Bozza or NSC in trouble by making a specific comment about events in court, but what brave and amazing people the late PC Blakelock's wife and sons must be, to have gone through all of this for all of these years?


Puts a lot of things debated on here into perspective.

Eh. how does that work?
Is anyone who has a relation killed, somehow a brave and amazing person?
 


Lenny Rider

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Sep 15, 2010
5,373
Eh. how does that work?
Is anyone who has a relation killed, somehow a brave and amazing person?

Youve got to be a certain kind of person to have your loved ones head hacked off by a baying mob whilst he was doing his job and then have to wait 30 years for some kind of justice, yet remaining diginified and not being bitter or twisted in any way.

That's how it works...........
 




amexee

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Jun 19, 2011
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Yes l think that they probably are. Would you like it to happen to you?

That depends which relation! Regardless of whether or not I was happy, unless I had somehow conquered fear and accomplished something whilst being at risk of severe injury or death, I would not describe my action as brave.
 






fat old seagull

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Sep 8, 2005
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Clearly with a trial going on I wont get myself, Bozza or NSC in trouble by making a specific comment about events in court, but what brave and amazing people the late PC Blakelock's wife and sons must be, to have gone through all of this for all of these years?


Puts a lot of things debated on here into perspective.

Well I certainly wouldn't want to deny the policemans family some sympathy. Or fail to support the police trying to keep law and order in riotous circumstances.
I would agree PC Blakelock was himself in all probability a brave man, but I don't actually think braveness is something that can be applied when the situation is compulsory, as apply to his family.
I really don't want to appear mean spirited, but to me labelling folk who have had misfortune thrust upon them as being bravesomewhat demean real and actual braveness, where people fight overwhelming difficulties or risk their lives for others.
 


Seagull over Canaryland

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Feb 8, 2011
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Well I certainly wouldn't want to deny the policemans family some sympathy. Or fail to support the police trying to keep law and order in riotous circumstances.
I would agree PC Blakelock was himself in all probability a brave man, but I don't actually think braveness is something that can be applied when the situation is compulsory, as apply to his family.
I really don't want to appear mean spirited, but to me labelling folk who have had misfortune thrust upon them as being bravesomewhat demean real and actual braveness, where people fight overwhelming difficulties or risk their lives for others.


I'm surprised at the lack of charity from some (but not all) armchair respondents. I feel PC Blakelock's family are being very brave. Any family is entitled to expect that a loved one will go to work, school etc and come home safely after, even a Police Officer. Secondly they had to endure knowing the graphic circumstances of his murder and somehow deal with this. They were just an innocent family who never chose this outcome, had it thrust upon them and will probably never forget that fateful knock on the front door to be told of his murder on duty.

The family have never had justice or closure and lived with this for 30 years. Cannot have been easy, especially having already gone through an earlier failed prosecution. Now they are having to live through it all again.

I'd like to think I would readily find the determination to sit through another Court hearing in the hope that I would see justice for my loved one(s), but that doesn't necessarily make it easier to endure.
 




amexee

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Jun 19, 2011
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I'm surprised at the lack of charity from some (but not all) armchair respondents. I feel PC Blakelock's family are being very brave. Any family is entitled to expect that a loved one will go to work, school etc and come home safely after, even a Police Officer. Secondly they had to endure knowing the graphic circumstances of his murder and somehow deal with this. They were just an innocent family who never chose this outcome, had it thrust upon them and will probably never forget that fateful knock on the front door to be told of his murder on duty.

The family have never had justice or closure and lived with this for 30 years. Cannot have been easy, especially having already gone through an earlier failed prosecution. Now they are having to live through it all again.

I'd like to think I would readily find the determination to sit through another Court hearing in the hope that I would see justice for my loved one(s), but that doesn't necessarily make it easier to endure.

No problem with any of that, but in what way are their actions brave?

It is the wrong word to describe their actions or inactions. A loved one was killed and they still do not know who committed the crime. No doubt this event has caused them great pain, but coping with grief is not an action that can be described as brave.

Regardless of how emotive the language which you choose to describe their experience, I will remain unconvinced that they have demonstrated bravery unless you can point out an act or acts which demonstrate this.
 


Seagull over Canaryland

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Feb 8, 2011
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No problem with any of that, but in what way are their actions brave?

It is the wrong word to describe their actions or inactions. A loved one was killed and they still do not know who committed the crime. No doubt this event has caused them great pain, but coping with grief is not an action that can be described as brave.

Regardless of how emotive the language which you choose to describe their experience, I will remain unconvinced that they have demonstrated bravery unless you can point out an act or acts which demonstrate this.

In most circumstances I might (might) agree with you because normally families get some form of outcome and therefore a degree of closure within a reasonable timescale of the death of their loved one. However in this instance I believe Blakelock's family are more exceptional because they have endured this for 30 years - and more uniquely have been taken through a previous court case and a subsequent appeal both times listening to the horrific detail of Blakelock's death while raising and then dashing their hopes for justice. Now they are going through it all again, for a third time. They are just an innocent civilian family placed into the situation without any specialist skills or preparation and therefore I admire their brave endurance.

In some ways they are braver than someone with training and experience (such as a soldier) who carries out some feat that appear 'brave' to you or I, but is more routine because they are professionally trained for it.

My original comments were not 'emotive', merely a realistic appreciation of their circumstances, something I have a professional and objective insight into.
 






MarioOrlandi

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Jun 4, 2013
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Bravery comes in many forms and not necessarily putting your life on the line. I thought PC Blakelock was extremely brave carrying out his duty. It must be awful for his whole family to have this dragged up and have to relive the horrors once again. Yes they are putting a "brave face" on it, I wonder how many times in private their grief has come to the fore?
 


surlyseagull

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Aug 23, 2008
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Oh the wrong word was used ....For goodness sake, in the grand scheme of things does it bl*ody well matter. I vote no and say they are brave .
 


Gullflyinghigh

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Apr 23, 2012
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No problem with any of that, but in what way are their actions brave?

It is the wrong word to describe their actions or inactions. A loved one was killed and they still do not know who committed the crime. No doubt this event has caused them great pain, but coping with grief is not an action that can be described as brave.

Regardless of how emotive the language which you choose to describe their experience, I will remain unconvinced that they have demonstrated bravery unless you can point out an act or acts which demonstrate this.

Ignoring whether or not I believe brave is the right way to describe the way the family have carried themselves throughout, why does it bother you that it's being used?

Again, not saying that you're wrong (or that anyone is), just curious why you would need to be (or that someone feels you should be) convinved of anything, differing opinions are allowed after all.

Why not leave it at that?
 


brighton bluenose

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Jan 6, 2006
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Nicollet & 66th
No problem with any of that, but in what way are their actions brave?

It is the wrong word to describe their actions or inactions. A loved one was killed and they still do not know who committed the crime. No doubt this event has caused them great pain, but coping with grief is not an action that can be described as brave.

Regardless of how emotive the language which you choose to describe their experience, I will remain unconvinced that they have demonstrated bravery unless you can point out an act or acts which demonstrate this.

One can't help thinking that you must have the emotional intelligence of a gnat if you think that 'bravery' is only about risking life or limb - either that or you are six years old!
 



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