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Brighton & Hove City Firefighters Petition



1901

1901

Sussex By The Sea
Jul 21, 2011
181
https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/save-brighton-hove-city-fire-fighters

The above is a petition from Brighton & Hove City Firefighters.

If you live in Brighton & Hove, there is a proposal to reduce the fire engines in the City.

Reducing the number of fire engines within the City from five to four will lead to slower response times, less personnel, less equipment and fewer home and school fire safety visits. These proposed cuts will cost lives. Savings must not be made by putting the public and fire fighters lives at risk.

Thank you.
 




Herr Tubthumper

Herr Tubthumper

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Jul 11, 2003
59,495
The Fatherland
1901 said:
https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/save-brighton-hove-city-fire-fighters

The above is a petition from Brighton & Hove City Firefighters.

If you live in Brighton & Hove, there is a proposal to reduce the fire engines in the City.

Reducing the number of fire engines within the City from five to four will lead to slower response times, less personnel, less equipment and fewer home and school fire safety visits. These proposed cuts will cost lives. Savings must not be made by putting the public and fire fighters lives at risk.

Thank you.
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vegster

vegster

Sanity Clause
May 5, 2008
27,892
Currently only 5 fire engines in the City of Brighton ? Shurely shome mishtake ?
 




The Large One

The Large One

Who's Next?
Jul 7, 2003
52,343
97.2FM
vegster said:
Currently only 5 fire engines in the City of Brighton ? Shurely shome mishtake ?
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According to http://www.esfrs.org,

Preston Circus currently has...

Aerial Ladder Platform
This is a multi-purpose firefighting and rescue vehicle that can deliver a safe working platform up to 32 metres and is capable of delivering 2900 litres of water per minute.

Extended Rescue Pump
Volvo Extended Rescue Pump carrying a variety of ladders including a 13.5 metre ladder, 1800 litres water and a pump capable of supplying 2250 litres/min. It is a multi purpose appliance carrying a large amount of equipment including dedicated hydraulic rescue tools, water safety and rescue equipment, oxygen, etc.

Water Tender Ladder
Multi purpose appliance that carries both firefighting and rescue equipment. It carries 1800 litres of water and a pump that can deliver 2250 litres of water per minute.


Hove has...

Extended Rescue Pump
Volvo Extended Rescue Pump carrying a variety of ladders including a 13.5 metre ladder, 1800 litres water and a pump capable of supplying 2250 litres/min. It is a multi purpose appliance carrying a large amount of equipment including dedicated hydraulic rescue tools, water safety and rescue equipment, oxygen, etc.

Water Tender Ladder - 1:7 Foam
Multi purpose appliance that carries both firefighting and rescue equipment. It carries 1800 litres of water, a pump that can deliver 2250 litres of water per minute with additional 1:7 Foam capability.

High Volume Pump
A High Volume Pump (HVP) appliance consists of a Prime Mover (chassis, cab and hook-lift) and two de-mountable containers. The first container holds the de-mountable HVP known as a Hydrosub and one kilometre of 150mm hose. The second container holds a further two kilometres of 150mm hose. The Hydrosub is a hydraulically powered unit that can deliver a flow of up to 7,000 litres of water per minute and can pump up to a head of 60 metres. The appliance is for flooding and firefighting incidents.

And Roedean has...

Extended Rescue Pump
Volvo Extended Rescue Pump carrying a variety of ladders including a 13.5 metre ladder, 1800 litres water and a pump capable of supplying 2250 litres/min. It is a multi purpose appliance carrying a large amount of equipment including dedicated hydraulic rescue tools, water safety and rescue equipment, oxygen, etc.
 




vegster

vegster

Sanity Clause
May 5, 2008
27,892
The Large One said:
According to http://www.esfrs.org,

Preston Circus currently has...

Aerial Ladder Platform
This is a multi-purpose firefighting and rescue vehicle that can deliver a safe working platform up to 32 metres and is capable of delivering 2900 litres of water per minute.

Extended Rescue Pump
Volvo Extended Rescue Pump carrying a variety of ladders including a 13.5 metre ladder, 1800 litres water and a pump capable of supplying 2250 litres/min. It is a multi purpose appliance carrying a large amount of equipment including dedicated hydraulic rescue tools, water safety and rescue equipment, oxygen, etc.

Water Tender Ladder
Multi purpose appliance that carries both firefighting and rescue equipment. It carries 1800 litres of water and a pump that can deliver 2250 litres of water per minute.


Hove has...

Extended Rescue Pump
Volvo Extended Rescue Pump carrying a variety of ladders including a 13.5 metre ladder, 1800 litres water and a pump capable of supplying 2250 litres/min. It is a multi purpose appliance carrying a large amount of equipment including dedicated hydraulic rescue tools, water safety and rescue equipment, oxygen, etc.

Water Tender Ladder - 1:7 Foam
Multi purpose appliance that carries both firefighting and rescue equipment. It carries 1800 litres of water, a pump that can deliver 2250 litres of water per minute with additional 1:7 Foam capability.

High Volume Pump
A High Volume Pump (HVP) appliance consists of a Prime Mover (chassis, cab and hook-lift) and two de-mountable containers. The first container holds the de-mountable HVP known as a Hydrosub and one kilometre of 150mm hose. The second container holds a further two kilometres of 150mm hose. The Hydrosub is a hydraulically powered unit that can deliver a flow of up to 7,000 litres of water per minute and can pump up to a head of 60 metres. The appliance is for flooding and firefighting incidents.

And Roedean has...

Extended Rescue Pump
Volvo Extended Rescue Pump carrying a variety of ladders including a 13.5 metre ladder, 1800 litres water and a pump capable of supplying 2250 litres/min. It is a multi purpose appliance carrying a large amount of equipment including dedicated hydraulic rescue tools, water safety and rescue equipment, oxygen, etc.
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So it's those and 5 standard Fire Engines then ? and what about the small fire station near the Marina ? its very confusing, and just 16 Fireman to operate it all ? I'm still confused.
 








Glanders

Glanders

Active member
Mar 12, 2012
201
The five fire engines are the two pumps (1 extended rescue & 1 water tender) at Preston circus, two at Hove (again, 1 extended rescue & 1 water tender) and one at Roedean (extended rescue). These are the basic pumping appliances that would respond to house fires, RTCs, chemical spills, animal rescues, entrapments etc and the like. The other appliances listed are specialist vehicles with more limited application; the aerial ladder platform is, as the name suggests a very large (30m) ladder, for rescues from height and aerial firefighting and the High Volume Pump is the behemoth that was recently sent to help out with the floods. The current watch strengths across the city are 15 at P Circus, 13 at Hove and 7 at Roedean, with four watches per station. The proposed cuts suggest the removal of one of the five pumping appliances from the city, plus major and as yet unspecified workforce reductions.
 


wellquickwoody

wellquickwoody

Many More Voting Years
NSC Patron
Aug 10, 2007
13,621
Melbourne
So we have more than 5 anyway?

Unions in untruth shocker!
 


Glanders

Glanders

Active member
Mar 12, 2012
201
A house fire attracts an attendance of two or three fire engines, which will provide the correct number of personnel to set up a safe system of work. One of those five city engines seems destined to go, presumably from either Brighton or Hove. If you live in an area currently served by whichever station loses a pump, it will take longer for the second pump to arrive. If, as happens fairly regularly, two incidents happen simultaneously in the city environs, you'll have to wait even longer.
 




smeariestbat

smeariestbat

New member
May 5, 2012
1,731
So thats 35 firefighters and 5 engines, per watch. How many times in the last 3 years have all the resources been depleted?
 


Glanders

Glanders

Active member
Mar 12, 2012
201
wellquickwoody said:
So we have more than 5 anyway?

Unions in untruth shocker!
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No, there are only five fire engines. The high volume pump isn't used for firefighting and the aerial ladder platform is only ever used in conjunction with a fire engine and doesn't have any pumping capability. Might look like semantics, but there really are only five standard fire engines.
 


Glanders

Glanders

Active member
Mar 12, 2012
201
smeariestbat said:
So thats 35 firefighters and 5 engines, per watch. How many times in the last 3 years have all the resources been depleted?
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Can't help there, I'm afraid. I guess the union and management would probably give you two very different answers. I just know from personal experience that it does happen and I guess any reduction in numbers will inevitably lead to it happening more often. The massive, swingeing budget cuts are a fact, but cutting one of the county's busiest appliances might not be the smartest move.
 


PILTDOWN MAN

PILTDOWN MAN

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Sep 15, 2004
18,704
Hurst Green
Not wishing to fan the flames but what proof is there this will not result in a better all round service?

Since most homes now have smoke alarms and fire systems in business premises and alike, public safety has never been better in regard to fire.

I'd be interested to know how many fires were attended to by the Brighton fire brigade in the last year.

Of course cutting services too far will hurt but at the same time you can't have an ambulance, fire engine and police car stationed in every street.
 




Bry Nylon

Bry Nylon

Test your smoke alarm
Helpful Moderator
Jul 21, 2003
19,844
Playing snooker
Fire and Rescue Services are typically utilised on 999/blue light work about 5% of available time. This is why management are constantly looking for things for additional things for firefighters to do and why FBU are constantly fighting to protect Grey Book regulations to be protected. This is why I left front-line firefighting in 2013 after 10 years service.
 




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