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Oscar Garcia must take most of the blame for our cup exit



goldstone

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Jul 5, 2003
7,108
If he had picked our strongest team for the first game against Hull we may well have won and saved our "tired" players having to play tonight.

If Ince is badly injured OG gets the blame for that too. No replay, no injury to Ince.

Ward was selected for the replay, so why wasn't he selected for the first game? Chicksen is either good enough or he's not.

We were TWO GAMES AWAY from a Wembley semi-final when we went into the tie with Hull. We already knew that we had a potentially winnable game in the next round if we beat them. They were there for the taking in the first game if we had played our strongest team. STUPID DECISION, Mr Garcia. You cost the club an awful lot of money and you have pissed thousands of fans. NOT GOOD ENOUGH.
 




















goldstone

Well-known member
Jul 5, 2003
7,108
Doesn't the manager take the blame for everything?

No, the players often do. The players certainly take a lot of the blame for tonight's abject first half performance, but Oscar lost us the tie by not committing our strongest team to try and beat Hull at the first attempt.
 




GT49er

Well-known member
Feb 1, 2009
46,473
Gloucester
Yeh, and he can't shoot either..................................................oh.....hang on a minute.....it's our players that can't shoot, isn't it.
 




Easy 10

Brain dead MUG SHEEP
Jul 5, 2003
61,674
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Its not so much the selection, although Brez obviously turned out to be costly. Its more the entire week of constant GRIZZLING from OG (and then a couple of players in subsequent interviews) about having to play on a Monday night after a game on Saturday. The manager sets the tone for the team, and from the way he sent them out we just were not up for it in the slightest. You could see in the performance that nobody wanted to be there. It was all too much HASSLE for them. So what resulted was one of the most limp, lethargic displays of the entire season as they just went through the motions.

I feel so sorry for the fans who made the journey up there to witness such a gutless capitulation. From the entire build-up to this game and the demenour of OG, it was entirely predictable that we'd roll over tonight. The scoreline ended up close, but make no mistake, Hull didn't even break sweat. They could not have wished for an easier passage, because basically, we could not be arsed.
 


Pavilionaire

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Jul 7, 2003
30,521
The fans pay their season ticket money to watch 23 league matches. They are buying in to a 46 game season. Therefore, the manager cannot bail out two-thirds of the way through and field a weakened side vs. Wigan to switch his priority to the FA Cup.

Similarly, he cannot ignore the FA Cup and the glory and tradition it represents. Therefore, he needs to juggle. If he plays his best team throughout they will tire - even the likes of Barca might beat City but a few days later they pay the price by losing to Real Sociedad and surrendering the lead of La Liga to Real.

In some respects playing a full- strength team in the Cup might have been interpreted as a signal he felt promotion was beyond this squad. He clearly believes it IS still attainable, judging by his selections.

Gus let Tony Bloom down at the business end of the season and I think Oscar is committed to staying in the race for as long as possible. There certainly isn't any sign of ego derailing our tilt this time around.

Had we finished our chances vs Wigan most of these knee jerk threads wouldn't have appeared. We played poorly tonight but there are bigger fish to fry this season with a huge month in March.
 




MarioOrlandi

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Jun 4, 2013
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Anywhere else but the KC Stadium in the first half. As for the first goal Brez was blocked out and consequently caught in no man's land. For the second a wicked deflection which hit his foot and went up into the air, on another occasion it would have gone over the bar. Fickle thing this luck business.
 


pasty

A different kind of pasty
Jul 5, 2003
30,178
West, West, West Sussex
If he plays his best team throughout they will tire

Whilst I kind of understand where you are coming from, this argument really gets my goat. These guys are professional sportsmen, paid handsome amounts of money to play football. If they can't play 2 games a week without getting tired, then they need to take a long hard look at themselves.
 


TonyW

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Feb 11, 2004
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The fans pay their season ticket money to watch 23 league matches. They are buying in to a 46 game season. Therefore, the manager cannot bail out two-thirds of the way through and field a weakened side vs. Wigan to switch his priority to the FA Cup.

Similarly, he cannot ignore the FA Cup and the glory and tradition it represents. Therefore, he needs to juggle. If he plays his best team throughout they will tire - even the likes of Barca might beat City but a few days later they pay the price by losing to Real Sociedad and surrendering the lead of La Liga to Real.

In some respects playing a full- strength team in the Cup might have been interpreted as a signal he felt promotion was beyond this squad. He clearly believes it IS still attainable, judging by his selections.

Gus let Tony Bloom down at the business end of the season and I think Oscar is committed to staying in the race for as long as possible. There certainly isn't any sign of ego derailing our tilt this time around.

Had we finished our chances vs Wigan most of these knee jerk threads wouldn't have appeared. We played poorly tonight but there are bigger fish to fry this season with a huge month in March.

So how exactly did TK "tire" on Saturday, he touched the sodding ball 3 times, and two of those were to bend down and pick it out of the net.

The only weak link in tonight's selection was in goal, and it cost us the game.

I know we didn't deserve to go through on that performance, but we bloody well would have done with Tommy in goal.
 




Pavilionaire

Well-known member
Jul 7, 2003
30,521
I know what you're saying Pasty but the stats don't lie that even the best teams tend to perform worse on the back of 2/3 days rest. If you're winning then you don't feel so tired. Hull won 4-0 on Saturday and played tonight with confidence, remaining in second gear for the duration. Conversely, we lost to Wigan and we looked jaded.

This is where players like Tony Adams, John Terry and Roy Keane could make such a difference in summoning up something extra from their teams when they were flat. I feel we lack that onfield energy. Those that had a bit of that about them were Bridcutt and Barnes. The club needs to find leaders.
 


Albumen

Don't wait for me!
Jan 19, 2010
11,495
Brighton - In your face
If he had picked our strongest team for the first game against Hull we may well have won and saved our "tired" players having to play tonight.

If Ince is badly injured OG gets the blame for that too. No replay, no injury to Ince.

Ward was selected for the replay, so why wasn't he selected for the first game? Chicksen is either good enough or he's not.

We were TWO GAMES AWAY from a Wembley semi-final when we went into the tie with Hull. We already knew that we had a potentially winnable game in the next round if we beat them. They were there for the taking in the first game if we had played our strongest team. STUPID DECISION, Mr Garcia. You cost the club an awful lot of money and you have pissed thousands of fans. NOT GOOD ENOUGH.

Couldn't wait could you to have a swipe.
Have you thought that maybe the strongest team may not have played as well as our (slightly) weaker one? It happens. Or is it just black and white? Of course it is, this management lark is easy. This is why Man city have won every single game this season haven't they. So have Chelsea. So have QPR. Haven't they? Hang on, they have the strongest teams, surely they would win every match?

Agree with Savage all you like, you're both very wrong. It's GOOD ENOUGH, and Hull (The Premiership team) drew with us then beat us. Take it. Shit happens.
 



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