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FA Cup Winners should go into Champions League



16bha

16bha

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Sep 6, 2010
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If we really want to bring the FA Cup back to its prominent position with every club going all out to win it, then why on earth don't we give the winners the 4th CL spot instead of rewarding a team that only comes 4th in the Premier League?

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Kaiser_Soze

Who is Kaiser Soze??
Apr 14, 2008
1,355
Makes a mockery of the CL by doing that. Champions league really should be the cream of the crop, not a Championship side scraping a lucky 1-0 in the final. Besides, if we did manage to win the FA cup and get into Europe (under your hypothetical suggestion) it would more than likely hinder a first season in the PL and our survival in that league.
 














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Prettyboyshaw

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Feb 20, 2004
1,104
Saltdean
Totally agree, incentive to respect the cup. So what if Wigan were in it, as much chance as Arsenal in recent years! The race for top four is pathetic, at least fa cup winners have actually won something rather than possibly finishing 10/20 points behind the champions.
 




happypig

happypig

Staring at the rude boys
May 23, 2009
7,958
Eastbourne
CL should be for teams that have won something, not teams that are jubilant in coming 4th; Arsenal have won sod all for a decade and yet, because they qualify for the CL their fans think they are a success.
 


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Shuggie

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Sep 19, 2003
666
East Sussex coast
I think OP's proposal implies that Wigan only won the FA Cup because the high and mighty didn't take it seriously. With a CL place on offer, The Cup would be reinvigorated but then clubs like Wigan wouldn't stand a chance. Although it's a nice idea in theory, the vested interests of UEFA, the big four/five/six, Sky, BT, The FA would never let it happen.

The FAC we fondly remember was about glory but these days football is increasingly about money rather than glory. We all know that of course but is it a good or a bad thing? Neither really ... no matter how much we don't like it, football will continue its relentless march away from the values of its past. Just like every other area of life.

"The past is a different country, they do things differently there."

:shrug::shrug:
 


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BensGrandad

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Jul 13, 2003
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Haywards Heath
EUFA would do better to bring back the Cup Winners Cup which was always 2nd only to the Champions Cup and thought more highly than the Inter City Fairs Cup (now EUFA CUP) which was a 2nd competition for the also rans who failed to achieve anything else.
 




hybrid_x

hybrid_x

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Jun 28, 2011
2,225
Scrap the Europa league, and bring back the cup winners cup......now that was a seriously amazing competition full of unpredictable teams with character.

alas, won't happen.

To beef up the FA cup and being back prestige - All games saturday 3pm unless a replay.......no ifs, no buts......and semis at nuetral grounds.
 


Herr Tubthumper

Herr Tubthumper

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Jul 11, 2003
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bn1&bn3 Albion said:
The Champions League is meant to be the best in Europe. Wigan are hardly in that category.
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Neither are a team which finishes 4th in the Premier League in my opinion.
 








British Bulldog

British Bulldog

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Feb 6, 2006
10,893
I'd rather see a return to the European Cup Winners Cup I always enjoyed that competition.
 




drew

drew

Drew
Oct 3, 2006
23,045
Burgess Hill
Herr Tubthumper said:
Neither are a team which finishes 4th in the Premier League in my opinion.
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This

I believe it always used to be the case that the invitation to submit entrants for the CL actually goes to the FA who in have always based it on league positions. It would be difficult to change as the FA in practice have little control of the Premier League. Having said that, you would have thought that 14 out of the 20 clubs would vote for it (I think they only need 13 anyway) bearing in mind those 14 teams have almost zero chance of qualifying via the league.

In and ideal world it the FA would give a champions league place to the cup winners but we don't live in an ideal world! The fact from 2015/16 the winners of the Europa cup qualify for the CL may re-invigorate that competition the effect of which might trickle down to qualifying tournaments such as the FA cup.
 




hybrid_x

hybrid_x

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Jun 28, 2011
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Wozza said:
That would do nothing to increase the standing of the FA Cup, though.
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of course it would....if the Cup Winners Cup had a mega TV contract then the prize money of winning the FA cup would rise massively.

Saturday 3pm kick offs would bring back some tradition and prestige too.
 


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somerset

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Jul 14, 2003
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Yatton, North Somerset
Wozza said:
That would do nothing to increase the standing of the FA Cup, though.
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Strange how the demise of the CWC, and the flood of CL money coincided with a dilution of the importance of the FA Cup then........resurrect the CWC and put a decent monetary return on it, and you will see the big clubs putting their serious cup faces on again.............but probably in reality, a CL place would work too......but that would be difficult to manage with countries with only one place up for grabs.
 


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