Squad Rotation / Keep Shirt

ferring seagull · Dec 26, 2013

Is it the philosophy of Oscar to continue with eg a goalkeeper (just because he does not concede until he makes a cock up ) rather than to start his best possible formation other than for squad rotation ?

This issue of holding the shirt is important as it can potentially lose the club points.

discuss ?

moggy · Dec 26, 2013

Best players start, end of !
Kuszchak if fit should always start

ferring seagull · Dec 26, 2013

moggy said:
Best players start, end of !
Kuszchak if fit should always start

Agreed and that was rather the point of my thread.

Acker79 · Dec 26, 2013

What will cost us more points in the long run: a player who knows he doesn't have to give his best every game because he'll always start when fit, so just accepts a poor run of form, or, a player who knows his manager expects a performance every time and there is an understudy/alternate that is able to step in?

What will cost us more points in the long run: a player who realises he isn't first choice and nothing he does when he gets a chance due to injury/suspension so doesn't really give his all when he gets the chance because it's pointless, or a player who knows any player - ANY player - that gets a chance in the team can make that move more long term if they play well enough so does his best every time out?

TottonSeagull · Dec 26, 2013

Koosh should be immediately back in when fit until we have another keeper that can push him for his place. Brez and Ankers will do a job for a game or 2 but you know they will **** up and more importantly the defence know this. IMO Garcia needs needs to play his strongest team when he can.

Goldstone Rapper · Dec 26, 2013

Is Kuszczak fully fit yet?

Goldstone Rapper · Dec 26, 2013

If we'd have persisted with Peter Ward throughout the whole of the 1978/79 season, simply because he was our star striker, I'm pretty sure we wouldn't have got promoted.

TottonSeagull · Dec 26, 2013

Goldstone Rapper said:
If we'd have persisted with Peter Ward throughout the whole of the 1978/79 season, simply because he was our star striker, I'm pretty sure we wouldn't have got promoted.

Totally different for a goalkeeper, especially when there is such a difference in class. If Koosh is not fit he shouldn't be on the bench!

Goldstone Rapper · Dec 26, 2013

TottonSeagull said:
Totally different for a goalkeeper, especially when there is such a difference in class. If Koosh is not fit he shouldn't be on the bench!

I agree there is huge gulf in class between Kuszczak and the other keepers. Perhaps Oscar thinks a half-fit Kuszczak is better on the bench than a fully fit Ankergren.

Acker79 · Dec 26, 2013

Goldstone Rapper said:
I agree there is huge gulf in class between Kuszczak and the other keepers. Perhaps Oscar thinks a half-fit Kuszczak is better on the bench than a fully fit Ankergren.

Is Ankergren fully fit? Walton was the sub keeper for the games Kuszczak missed.

Goldstone Rapper · Dec 26, 2013

Acker79 said:
Is Ankergren fully fit? Walton was the sub keeper for the games Kuszczak missed.

I don't know whether he is, to be honest.

Stat Brother · Dec 26, 2013

I've convinced myself, baring any mishap, Brez would keep the jersey through to the FA cup when he would have played anyway.

His taking the jersey did coincide with an 'easy' run of games :facepalm:

One Teddy Maybank · Dec 26, 2013

Acker79 said:
What will cost us more points in the long run: a player who knows he doesn't have to give his best every game because he'll always start when fit, so just accepts a poor run of form, or, a player who knows his manager expects a performance every time and there is an understudy/alternate that is able to step in?

What will cost us more points in the long run: a player who realises he isn't first choice and nothing he does when he gets a chance due to injury/suspension so doesn't really give his all when he gets the chance because it's pointless, or a player who knows any player - ANY player - that gets a chance in the team can make that move more long term if they play well enough so does his best every time out?

Though when Liverpool were at their peak they kept the same team, it worked out fairly well then. Match fitness used to be achieved by playing in the reserves.

TottonSeagull · Dec 26, 2013

Goldstone Rapper said:
I agree there is huge gulf in class between Kuszczak and the other keepers. Perhaps Oscar thinks a half-fit Kuszczak is better on the bench than a fully fit Ankergren.

Think Ankers is injured at the mo, but I would have thought he would put Walton on the bench if Koosh wasn't fully fit. Walton has been getting good reviews in the DS.

Goldstone Rapper · Dec 26, 2013

Acker79 said:
What will cost us more points in the long run: a player who knows he doesn't have to give his best every game because he'll always start when fit, so just accepts a poor run of form, or, a player who knows his manager expects a performance every time and there is an understudy/alternate that is able to step in?

What will cost us more points in the long run: a player who realises he isn't first choice and nothing he does when he gets a chance due to injury/suspension so doesn't really give his all when he gets the chance because it's pointless, or a player who knows any player - ANY player - that gets a chance in the team can make that move more long term if they play well enough so does his best every time out?

Excellent post.

On balance, I think it creates division and damages morale within a squad if some players believe others are the 'chosen ones'. Generally, I think players will understand why an understudy who is seen to have done well will be given a run. At the same time, the best managers are ones who can manage the egos of star players and make them feel they are valued and will regain their place, even though for the time being they are out of the side.

JCL - the new kid in town · Dec 26, 2013

Was Brez actually at fault for the goals or being blamed because he's the last line if defence?

Acker79 · Dec 26, 2013

JCL - the new kid in town said:
Was Brez actually at fault for the goals or being blamed because he's the last line if defence?

Aspinall wanted to blame him for the second, but Cantor seemed unconvinced.
They questioned whether he would have had a better chance of saving the third from the free kick if his positioning was better, but again, didn't seem certain.

It seemed more a case of "could he have done better" rather than "it's his fault".

Some one in either the ratings thread or the just back thread seemed to think he had no chance with two of the goals, but not sure which ones.

JCL - the new kid in town · Dec 26, 2013

Acker79 said:
Aspinall wanted to blame him for the second, but Cantor seemed unconvinced.
They questioned whether he would have had a better chance of saving the third from the free kick if his positioning was better, but again, didn't seem certain.

It seemed more a case of "could he have done better" rather than "it's his fault".

Some one in either the ratings thread or the just back thread seemed to think he had no chance with two of the goals, but not sure which ones.

Typically the goals just came on the tv

From the brief highlights I would say not at fault for any like you said. Could possibly have done better for the second and third was a good free kick and he didn't move which can make the keeper look bad. The first two seemed to be poor defending more than anything.

Goldstone Rapper · Dec 26, 2013

JCL - the new kid in town said:
Typically the goals just came on the tv From the brief highlights I would say not at fault for any like you said. Could possibly have done better for the second and third was a good free kick and he didn't move which can make the keeper look bad. The first two seemed to be poor defending more than anything.

So no presents from Brezovan, but no presence either. Reasonable grounds for dropping him?

JCL - the new kid in town · Dec 26, 2013

Goldstone Rapper said:
So no presents from Brezovan, but no presence either. Reasonable grounds for dropping him?

Hard to tell from the briefness of what I saw. If he was replaced next game I wouldn't be complaining but I wouldn't have a problem with him continuing either. There are positives and negatives to both. How he performed in the rest of the game will have a bearing on whether he stays or not.

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