Well it all worked out for the best in the end!

£1.99 · Dec 15, 2013

Cyclist numbers are up 14 per cent, with daily numbers of cyclists increased from 2085 to 2383.
Bus passenger numbers are up 7 per cent, but despite increased numbers, both operating companies in the city report better punctuality, and taxi use up 40 per cent.
And each car journey is only taking an average of a minute or so longer.
http://road.cc/content/news/101795-...le-lanes-deemed-success-sustainable-transport

CorgiRegisteredFriend · Dec 15, 2013

£1.99 said:
Cyclist numbers are up 14 per cent, with daily numbers of cyclists increased from 2085 to 2383.
Bus passenger numbers are up 7 per cent, but despite increased numbers, both operating companies in the city report better punctuality, and taxi use up 40 per cent.
And each car journey is only taking an average of a minute or so longer.
http://road.cc/content/news/101795-...le-lanes-deemed-success-sustainable-transport

The fact that taxi use is up 40% is further proof the recession is over. Costs nearly fifteen quid to get from the centre of Brighton to West Hove. Crazy prices.

Tory Boy · Dec 15, 2013

And if any one truely believes all that Green spin then more fool them.

TB

Garage_Doors · Dec 15, 2013

£1.99 said:
Cyclist numbers are up 14 per cent, with daily numbers of cyclists increased from 2085 to 2383.
Bus passenger numbers are up 7 per cent, but despite increased numbers, both operating companies in the city report better punctuality, and taxi use up 40 per cent.
And each car journey is only taking an average of a minute or so longer.
http://road.cc/content/news/101795-...le-lanes-deemed-success-sustainable-transport

Do you actually believe this

vegster · Dec 15, 2013

CorgiRegisteredFriend said:
The fact that taxi use is up 40% is further proof the recession is over. Costs nearly fifteen quid to get from the centre of Brighton to West Hove. Crazy prices.

I agree, taxi fares are incredibly extortionate. Rarely do we use them unless there is a group of us to share the pain

Meade's Ball · Dec 15, 2013

I got 2 taxis home on Friday night after my works Christmas do. I'd awoken at the end of a nightbus journey in Watford and was ejected from the vehicle in the depot. The first cab driver told me where i was and the fee was £30 back to the outskirts of London where another driver took me the rest of the way to Dalston for the same amount. I'd taken out £40 at midday to make that the maximum i spent, but came home in the end about £160 down with very few memories of any time after 9pm. Dear oh dear.
Anyway, carry on.

Albumen · Dec 15, 2013

Tory Boy said:
And if any one truely believes all that Green spin then more fool them.

TB

Programme_Seller said:
Do you actually believe this

yxee · Dec 15, 2013

How is inconveniencing one group in favour of another "all worked out for the best in the end".

Surely that is an opinion only held by the advantaged people.

Jimmy Grimble · Dec 15, 2013

When were the initial measurements made?

yxee · Dec 15, 2013

Yearly figures.

I like how they interpret reduced car and lorry numbers on a major trunk road into the city as an indisputable measure of success in itself. According to them, taxi numbers going up is also a good thing. What are they talking about? It's okay to get from A to B if you pay £10 a journey but if you're carrying a delivery to a shop in the city, you're no longer wanted on our roads?

Brighton and Hove council, destroying commercial infrastructure one £1.9 million project at a time.

CheeseRolls · Dec 15, 2013

yxee said:
How is inconveniencing one group in favour of another "all worked out for the best in the end".

Surely that is an opinion only held by the advantaged people.

Are you seriously trying to play the car driver as victim here ? Car and lorry drivers aren't delayed due to hippies on bikes and buses, they are delayed by too many pointless car journeys. Anything that makes people think before getting in their car van only be a good thing as far as I am concerned.

angmering albion · Dec 15, 2013

CheeseRolls said:
Are you seriously trying to play the car driver as victim here ? Car and lorry drivers aren't delayed due to hippies on bikes and buses, they are delayed by too many pointless car journeys. Anything that makes people think before getting in their car van only be a good thing as far as I am concerned.

Bus wanker :lolol:

Chicken Runner61 · Dec 15, 2013

The increase in commuting in the uk was 17% so this is pretty crap really. Causing more congestion and pollution doesn't make people want to use their cars less if they have to get on a bike and cycle through it - people want to cycle in quiet open spaces through residential roads not trunk roads with cycle lanes. I saw two cyclists having a fight along old shoreham road the other day because one was cycling the wrong way!

Lord Bracknell · Dec 15, 2013

£1.99 said:
Cyclist numbers are up 14 per cent, with daily numbers of cyclists increased from 2085 to 2383.
Bus passenger numbers are up 7 per cent, but despite increased numbers, both operating companies in the city report better punctuality, and taxi use up 40 per cent.
And each car journey is only taking an average of a minute or so longer.
http://road.cc/content/news/101795-...le-lanes-deemed-success-sustainable-transport

Programme_Seller said:
Do you actually believe this

As a daily user of Lewes Road, as both a driver and a bus user, the figures seem to feel right to me. Certainly the massive traffic congestion that hit the area at peak times during the first few days of bus lane enforcement has now quietened down.

yxee · Dec 15, 2013

CheeseRolls said:
Are you seriously trying to play the car driver as victim here ? Car and lorry drivers aren't delayed due to hippies on bikes and buses, they are delayed by too many pointless car journeys. Anything that makes people think before getting in their car van only be a good thing as far as I am concerned.

Sorry... a car is delayed by too many pointless car journeys? So the solution to congestion is to not even bother? How is that a solution?

Vegas Seagull · Dec 15, 2013

The report lacks any control groups & external statistics, therefore it is misleading to state these bare figures as fact.
For example, in the year following British success in cycling in both the Olympics & Tour De France overall cycling levels are up EVERYWHERE and Halfords sales are booming (never mind the weather which was very WET the previous year)
So, if overall cycle miles covered in the UK are up 20% year on year, then it could be claimed the lane is underperforming and the 14% rise would have naturally occurred on that route anyway.

banjo · Dec 15, 2013

CorgiRegisteredFriend said:
The fact that taxi use is up 40% is further proof the recession is over. Costs nearly fifteen quid to get from the centre of Brighton to West Hove. Crazy prices.

Use the night bus. :shrug:

Pogue Mahone · Dec 15, 2013

yxee said:
Sorry... a car is delayed by too many pointless car journeys? So the solution to congestion is to not even bother? How is that a solution?

I'm not sure if you're being deliberately obtuse...

The 'solution' to congestion is to encourage the vast amount of people who drive, usually on their own, for distances of less than five miles to use alternative transport. A bike is ideal - good for the individual and for the wider community - but buses, sharing cars, trains...they all help to relieve the pressure on our road system.

It's not about 'not even bothering.'

ofco8 · Dec 15, 2013

Of course, another answer could be that car drivers are rat running. Didn't see any statistics for that. I know quite a few who instead of turning off of Lewes Road into Brighton at Falmer they are carrying on to Ditchling Road or Dyke Road Avenue. Oh well people can make statistics to read exactly as they want them to be.
Tomorrow my work takes me to Falmer then Cranleigh in Surrey. Better get the bike out and start off now? Nah, will get up tomorrow morning and get into my warm car instead.

Gary Leeds · Dec 15, 2013

I have no idea how this will display on here but hopefully it will work ok. This is the daily traffic figures for Lewes road

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Year	bikes	mbikes	Cars	Buses	LGV	HGVs	AllVehicles
2000	464	158	22562	440	2789	432	26381
2001	726	408	21680	683	3188	412	26371
2002	1087	497	22673	741	2854	374	27139
2003	2849	472	24094	626	3149	455	28796
2004	1754	516	24367	768	3102	463	29216
2005	1811	572	23237	703	3340	489	28341
2006	1385	568	22974	815	3237	448	28042
2007	606	381	18676	631	3215	440	23343
2008	1081	363	16693	626	2964	423	21069
2009	1082	343	16426	612	3210	413	21004
2010	1082	316	16081	643	3226	402	20668
2011	1193	335	16000	643	3326	406	20710
2012	981	306	16158	736	3366	341	20907

So even before the millions spent in "improving" the road the numbers were dropping

I do wonder how anyone survived in 2003/2006 when there was nearly 10000 more vehicles per day using the road

data from http://www.dft.gov.uk/traffic-counts/cp.php?la=Brighton+and+Hove#56267

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