Government prevent publication of 'positive' immigration report

kevo · Dec 10, 2013

The Government has delayed the publication of its own report into EU immigration because it finds that it has a positive impact on the economy. Surely this doesn't suggest they are only pursuing the immigration line to play on people's fears...? Anyone would think an election might be coming up.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...eport-because-it-is-too-positive-8994264.html

glasfryn · Dec 10, 2013

running scared of the UKIP mob

DavidinSouthampton · Dec 10, 2013

glasfryn said:
running scared of the UKIP mob

Agreed. Shelving research because it doesn't say what you want it to say is pretty feeble.

But wouldn't it also be ammunition to counter the UKIP arguments! I wonder sometimes if a pro-Europe stance at some point from a political party might surprise a few people, particularly if it is backed up by facts and sound research which I presume this is..

Machiavelli · Dec 10, 2013

DavidinSouthampton said:
Agreed. Shelving research because it doesn't say what you want it to say is pretty feeble.

But wouldn't it also be ammunition to counter the UKIP arguments! I wonder sometimes if a pro-Europe stance at some point from a political party might surprise a few people, particularly if it is backed up by facts and sound research which I presume this is..

This, quite categorically, is not allowed. How very dare you.

dougdeep · Dec 10, 2013

kevo said:
Anyone would think an election might be coming up.

7th May 2015.

bWize · Dec 10, 2013

Mustafa said:
Obviously population growth is good for the economy, that's obvious - but there's no denying that rapid rates of immigration has a great potential to cause irreparable cultural damage.

This ^

In the short term it may be good for the economy but the side effects are obvious and inevitable.

Guinness Boy · Dec 10, 2013

Mustafa said:
Obviously population growth is good for the economy, that's obvious - but there's no denying that rapid rates of immigration has a great potential to cause irreparable cultural damage.

Cultural CHANGE maybe but how so cultural damage? You write like it's not something that's in a constant state of flux anyway. Victorian Britain and 1920s Britain were very different without mass immigration. Today's UK is WAY better than the 1970s I grew up in both in terms of cultural enrichment and acceptance of others. And it's not just here. Do you think, for example, that when the KMT escaped Communist China after civil war, to Taiwan, that they expected today's generation to be largely multi lingual makers of cutting edge gadgets? Culture changes all the time. It's just cultural imperialism that doesn't.

jgmcdee · Dec 10, 2013

Excellent stuff from our government. A detailed study is shelved because of "concerns" and "beliefs". Never let the facts get in the way of a populist argument.

somerset · Dec 10, 2013

Mustafa said:
Obviously population growth is good for the economy, that's obvious - but there's no denying that rapid rates of immigration has a great potential to cause irreparable cultural damage.

Sod cultural issues,... what about trying to drive anywhere in this country?.......

Machiavelli · Dec 10, 2013

Mustafa said:
Obviously population growth is good for the economy, that's obvious - but there's no denying that rapid rates of immigration has a great potential to cause irreparable cultural damage.

There's a few things in this country that require irreparable cultural damage. Beyond that, culture has always changed particularly since the onset of modernity. One of the best things about Danny Boyle's Olympic Opening Ceremony was his portrayal of this restlessness of British culture, in stark contrast to the starting point of idyllic rural village life, something that many on the right are constantly harking back to.

midnight_rendezvous · Dec 10, 2013

Guinness Boy said:
Culture changes all the time. It's just cultural imperialism that doesn't.

This. Very well put.

Seagull on the wing · Dec 10, 2013

jgmcdee said:
Excellent stuff from our government. A detailed study is shelved because of "concerns" and "beliefs". Never let the facts get in the way of a populist argument.

Change Government to Ed Milliband and put in Falkirk Unite Union vote fixing.....same result...why doesn't Ed publish the Labour inquiry to that.

Guy Fawkes · Dec 10, 2013

jgmcdee said:
Excellent stuff from our government. A detailed study is shelved because of "concerns" and "beliefs". Never let the facts get in the way of a populist argument.

A review into the impact of EU migration on Britain has been delayed because the Government feared it was too positive.

The latest part of Whitehall’s Balance of Competences study, which looked specifically at freedom of movement, had been due to be released yesterday. But, according to reports, it has now been shelved until next year because Theresa May, the Home Secretary, takes issues with its findings.

Amid concerns that much of the evidence submitted was broadly positive about current rules for freedom of movement, The Times suggests Ms May believes the study underestimates the problem of people coming to Britain to take advantage of the welfare state, which is central to the Government’s rhetoric about cracking down on migrants.

According to whose reports, what are their source?
Is it an article based on the Times suggestion?
Would a Government shelf it and then let it or the reason leak out into the press ?

What proof is there that the Government have shelfed it other than it was supposedly due to be released yesterday, it wasn't so people have speculated that it's the Government doing something untoward rather than it being something far simpler such as those carrying out the report just haven't completed it yet (probably due to the 7ft of snow that fell as predicted in the Daily Express :shrug:

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Surf's Up · Dec 11, 2013

Seagull on the wing said:
Change Government to Ed Milliband and put in Falkirk Unite Union vote fixing.....same result...why doesn't Ed publish the Labour inquiry to that.

Good point .... and then it all went very quiet!

somerset · Dec 11, 2013

As opposed to the Guardian article dated Monday 12 August 2013, that gives the Labour spin on the same subject,..... quoted extract here:

Labour now recognises that immigration can have a negative effect on British workers, a shadow minister has said.

Chris Bryant, Labour's immigration spokesman, said his party had made mistakes by not acknowledging this in the past, especially when Britain did not place controls on workers arriving from eastern European countries in 2004.

In a speech on Monday, he said the party had "concerns about immigration, the pace of migration, the undercutting of workers' terms and conditions and the effect on the UK labour market".

His remarks go even further than Ed Miliband's admission that Labour failed to listen to people's concerns about immigration causing social upheaval.

Deleted member 22389 · Dec 11, 2013

None of three main parties deserve our votes anymore. They couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery. I shall vote UKIP.

Machiavelli · Dec 11, 2013

bashlsdir said:
None of three main parties deserve our votes anymore. They couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery. I shall vote UKIP.

Oh dear. About all UKIP could organise is a piss up in a brewery. You ought to look to history, and recognise that right-wing populist parties have appeal during depressions, and the result of supporting them leads to deeply unpleasant outcomes.

Creaky · Dec 11, 2013

bashlsdir said:
None of three main parties deserve our votes anymore. They couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery. I shall vote UKIP.

And there is the problem with our political system in a nutshell!

Instead of making an effort to find out about the candidates at an election and voting for the person best able to represent the constituency and the views of the person voting they blindly vote based on a party label.

This enables the political parties to put forward as candidates those who best serve the party and its needs rather than the person who can best serve the voter.

dougdeep · Dec 11, 2013

Creaky said:
And there is the problem with our political system in a nutshell!

Instead of making an effort to find out about the candidates at an election and voting for the person best able to represent the constituency and the views of the person voting they blindly vote based on a party label.

This enables the political parties to put forward as candidates those who best serve the party and its needs rather than the person who can best serve the voter.

Very well said sir. People even vote along party lines in council elections now. All very sad.

Deleted member 22389 · Dec 11, 2013

Machiavelli said:
Oh dear. About all UKIP could organise is a piss up in a brewery. You ought to look to history, and recognise that right-wing populist parties have appeal during depressions, and the result of supporting them leads to deeply unpleasant outcomes.

I know UKIP couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery, and I know they don't stand a hope in hells chance, however at least they speak my language on one or two issues.

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