MPs - 11% Pay Rise

Beach Hut · Dec 8, 2013

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-25287108

Nice to see the "we are all in this together" attitude, that is some pay rise in this day and age.

bluenitsuj · Dec 8, 2013

We will never ever be in it all together.

dougdeep · Dec 8, 2013

It won't happen. I was right the last time and I expect to be right again.

CorgiRegisteredFriend · Dec 8, 2013

I think it will happen as they are trying to justify it by saying they will lose pension benefits and the golden goodbye on retirement.

glasfryn · Dec 8, 2013

Mustafa said:
Incompetent apathetic crooks that know nothing of the financial struggle that many of us have been going through, nor they do care.

Taking our money but increasing theirs is indeed "inappropriate" to say the least.

definitely this

beorhthelm · Dec 8, 2013

while the timing looks bad, has anyone read it and accounted for the time since their last rise, loss of expenses, and the point this comes in 2015? or are we goin for knee-jerk indignation?

ozseagull · Dec 8, 2013

So the police and other emergency services have had a 3 year pay freeze. If they (especially the police) got an 11% pay rise after the freeze there would be uproar.

Tricky Dicky · Dec 8, 2013

Personally, whilst this is appalling timing and won't play well, I would give them a pay rise, but stop them having second and third jobs. If I elect an MP, I expect them to be doing MP business all their working time.

FalmerforAll!** · Dec 8, 2013

All three party leaders allegedly against the rise, that'll be interesting.

Since1982 · Dec 8, 2013

The way we pay MPs in this country is the worst of all worlds. Basic salaries are too low to attract top talent, which means we get less than effective government and opposition plus too many second and third jobs. We also get a bias to the independently wealthy who do not need to rely on the salary. The expenses system is absurdly complex and lacking in transparency which engenders suspicion about MPs being on the take. We need a smaller but much higher quality House of Commons with a reward system fit for the 21st Century not the 19th.

Herr Tubthumper · Dec 8, 2013

ozseagull said:
So the police and other emergency services have had a 3 year pay freeze. If they (especially the police) got an 11% pay rise after the freeze there would be uproar.

Agree. It's criminal that politicians who are instrumental in creating the current economic mess reward themselves with 11% yet freeze the pay of ordinary hard working and decent people. Criminal and disgusting.

lawros left foot · Dec 8, 2013

They have actually cut the time they are at the House, in the last few years. I believe they attend for less than a third of the year now, and when they have to sit in extrodinary circumstances( death of Thatcher etc) they get time off in lieu, at about a 3-1 ratio. They also get a week off between Christmas and Easster, half term apparently.But they all say they work really, really hard,but can still find the time for second and third jobs. Most of them are shysters and frauds

Herr Tubthumper · Dec 8, 2013

Since1982 said:
The way we pay MPs in this country is the worst of all worlds. Basic salaries are too low to attract top talent, which means we get less than effective government and opposition plus too many second and third jobs. We also get a bias to the independently wealthy who do not need to rely on the salary. The expenses system is absurdly complex and lacking in transparency which engenders suspicion about MPs being on the take. We need a smaller but much higher quality House of Commons with a reward system fit for the 21st Century not the 19th.

Not everyone is driven by money. There are plenty of incredibly talented people heading up all manner of organisations where money is not their main consideration or driver. I'd suggest a lower salary might attract more appropriate people as opposed to career politicians on a higher salary.

Since1982 · Dec 8, 2013

Herr Tubthumper said:
Not everyone is driven by money. There are plenty of incredibly talented people heading up all manner of organisations where money is not their main consideration or driver. I'd suggest a lower salary might attract more appropriate people as opposed to career politicians on a higher salary.

Quite possibly although I guess they would already be considering the role (if they can find a way through the party political machines) if money isn't the issue. I do agree that a degree of altruism wouldn't go amiss in all of the parties. I still suspect though could never prove it that money remains a pretty motivating force.

Herr Tubthumper · Dec 8, 2013

Since1982 said:
Quite possibly although I guess they would already be considering the role (if they can find a way through the party political machines) if money isn't the issue. I do agree that a degree of altruism wouldn't go amiss in all of the parties. I still suspect though could never prove it that money remains a pretty motivating force.

Your party political machine comment is probably close to the mark. If you're a talented individual for whom money isn't a driving force there are probably a 101 roles/jobs you can take without having to subject yourself to the bullshit which goes with a political party.

PS Not necessarily suggesting altruism; more driven by other factors.

Nibble · Dec 8, 2013

One MP recently claimed expenses for attending a remembrance day service. Tells you all you need to know really.

Herr Tubthumper · Dec 8, 2013

Since1982 said:
Quite possibly although I guess they would already be considering the role (if they can find a way through the party political machines) if money isn't the issue. I do agree that a degree of altruism wouldn't go amiss in all of the parties. I still suspect though could never prove it that money remains a pretty motivating force.

Somehow need to ensure local busy bodies and do-gooders are somehow precluded from being MPs as well. It's a tough balancing act.

RexCathedra · Dec 8, 2013

The majority of American state legislatures are paid poorly, per diem, or both.

It shows in their work.

Herr Tubthumper · Dec 8, 2013

Getting back on topic 11% is an insult

withdeanwombat · Dec 8, 2013

It's frightening. Most of these people are nonentities whose main job is to bray during debates, wave their little white papers about like disgruntled Spanish football supporters and bounce up and down as if they actually want to ask a question during PMQT but would sh*t themselves if actually called. They are currently over lauded and overpaid. An 11% pay cut would be much more like it.

Of course, they could try payment based on attendance - I'm sure you've seen the televised Parliament programmes where there seem to be fifty people there, the rest having set up pairing arrangements so they can go on "fact finding" missions, usually somewhere more interesting, often somewhere warm. These facts are cunning little buggers, and hide in the most faraway of places.

Reduce their numbers as well, so that those remain wouldn't have the time for their "advisors" posts, directorships and newspaper columns ( nearly said newspaper rounds there, but nothing so useful). Most of them are as much use as tissue condoms in my opinion.

As for the spurious arguments about the time since their last pay rise - well,they were overpaid whenever it was, and as for losing star quality fringe benefits, -what special RIGHT have they ever had to them?

By the way, we played really quite well against Leicester. Long may that last !

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