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Noise at the Amex



Surf's Up

Well-known member
Jul 17, 2011
10,135
Here
Our stadium has been designed, we are told, to amplify the noise generated by fans. We are also told there is a correlation between the noise and level of support generated by the fans and the performance of the team on the pitch (and vice versa). When we first moved into the Amex the level of noise and atmosphere generated by us was pretty good. As we've become more accustomed to our new surroundings things seem to have gradually quietened down and we have become reliant on extraneous factors like absurd refereeing decisions (eg Burnley), or stupid opposing fans (eg Ipswich) or massively bonkers opposing fans (eg Leeds) to get the home juices flowing. The club, in a mistaken attempt to generate some atmosphere, even resorted to the use of clackers in one unfortunately unforgettable game.

Now, as we sit handily placed just outside the play-offs with over half the season left, may be as good a time as any to take stock and see if there is anything we can do together to improve our performance as fans and thus to help the team on the pitch. It may be that, in order to achieve this and to achieve a greater degree of unity around the stadium, there is a need for a bit more organisation instead of relying on the various smaller pockets of fans dotted around the ground? I do realise that this could prove to be difficult, we can't even get enough people to learn the words of GOSBTS, let alone to aing it at the right pace even when singing along to a recording!

The main noise generating areas have emerged as being the North Stand and the WSU so the challenges may include some of the following:

1. The North Stand is our engine room of noise so how do we get the North Stand to re-unite and sing as one?
2. How do we get the North Stand to maintain a good level of noise throughout a game?
3. How do we get WSU to start singing again?
4. How do we get WSU to synchronise with the North Stand?
5. How do we get the rest of the ground to join in?
6. Maybe we also need a few new songs too?!

Or maybe it really doesn't matter. Or maybe we're just a bunch of reserved, uptight, inhibited southern softies who feel too uncomfortable about shouting (unless we score in which case a few moments of unaccustomed delerium are permitted) or singing or chanting, preferring instead to spend the whole match muttering "FFS Barnes" and similar unfair profanities under our breath. Any maybe we should just accept that's what we are, this is as good as it's going to get and leave it?
 

Notters

Well-known member
Oct 20, 2003
24,865
Guiseley
Be good to improve it but it's still far better than almost every other ground. The most effective measure would be to stop people leaving early but can't see that happening!
 

Surf's Up

Well-known member
Jul 17, 2011
10,135
Here
Be good to improve it but it's still far better than almost every other ground. The most effective measure would be to stop people leaving early but can't see that happening!

Unfortunately I can't get to many away games at the moment but I do know from the days when I went to away matches and from seeing games like last Saturdays on the TV that our away support is phenominal and I'm sure your'e right about the home atmosphere at other grounds. I just want ours to be the best and to complement the way the stadium was designed.
 

Pantani

Il Pirata
Dec 3, 2008
5,445
Newcastle
The simplest thing we can all do very easily is sing one more verse.

There are two (main) areas singing in the North Stand, with other song starters dotted in between. If you start a song, those around you will normally pick it up after the first line (quicker with certain songs of course). If enough people join in it may reach the other side of the North Stand by the end of the first verse. Once they join in there is probably only one verse left for the main singers, singing together. If you want the West to join in as well it really needs a whole verse of the North singing as one, AND for those people to believe the song is going to carry on.

Unfortunately, people do not want to sing on their own, or have the potential embarrassment of being the only one singing. Therefore it is up to the main singing areas to make those who are a bit shy believe that we are going to carry on.

If you do not agree with me try guessing when every chant that starts on Tuesday is going to end. You will succeed on all of them, because we just do not sing for long enough once something starts, and our support has taught itself an unsustainable rhythm and a finish after two lackluster runs through of every song.

Finally, singing one more verse requires a bit more breath, it requires starting off a little slower, and hopefully maintaining a slower speed throughout. Which of course is another major problem with our singing at this time.
 

Napper

Well-known member
Jul 9, 2003
23,853
Sussex
The simplest thing we can all do very easily is sing one more verse.

There are two (main) areas singing in the North Stand, with other song starters dotted in between. If you start a song, those around you will normally pick it up after the first line (quicker with certain songs of course). If enough people join in it may reach the other side of the North Stand by the end of the first verse. Once they join in there is probably only one verse left for the main singers, singing together. If you want the West to join in as well it really needs a whole verse of the North singing as one, AND for those people to believe the song is going to carry on.

Unfortunately, people do not want to sing on their own, or have the potential embarrassment of being the only one singing. Therefore it is up to the main singing areas to make those who are a bit shy believe that we are going to carry on.

If you do not agree with me try guessing when every chant that starts on Tuesday is going to end. You will succeed on all of them, because we just do not sing for long enough once something starts, and our support has taught itself an unsustainable rhythm and a finish after two lackluster runs through of every song.

Finally, singing one more verse requires a bit more breath, it requires starting off a little slower, and hopefully maintaining a slower speed throughout. Which of course is another major problem with our singing at this time.

Something in that . Regardless of speed if every song had one more verse volumes would increAse for said reasons .
 




Canonman

New member
Apr 14, 2011
792
Our stadium has been designed, we are told, to amplify the noise generated by fans. We are also told there is a correlation between the noise and level of support generated by the fans and the performance of the team on the pitch (and vice versa). When we first moved into the Amex the level of noise and atmosphere generated by us was pretty good. As we've become more accustomed to our new surroundings things seem to have gradually quietened down and we have become reliant on extraneous factors like absurd refereeing decisions (eg Burnley), or stupid opposing fans (eg Ipswich) or massively bonkers opposing fans (eg Leeds) to get the home juices flowing. The club, in a mistaken attempt to generate some atmosphere, even resorted to the use of clackers in one unfortunately unforgettable game.

Now, as we sit handily placed just outside the play-offs with over half the season left, may be as good a time as any to take stock and see if there is anything we can do together to improve our performance as fans and thus to help the team on the pitch. It may be that, in order to achieve this and to achieve a greater degree of unity around the stadium, there is a need for a bit more organisation instead of relying on the various smaller pockets of fans dotted around the ground? I do realise that this could prove to be difficult, we can't even get enough people to learn the words of GOSBTS, let alone to aing it at the right pace even when singing along to a recording!

The main noise generating areas have emerged as being the North Stand and the WSU so the challenges may include some of the following:

1. The North Stand is our engine room of noise so how do we get the North Stand to re-unite and sing as one?
2. How do we get the North Stand to maintain a good level of noise throughout a game?
3. How do we get WSU to start singing again?
4. How do we get WSU to synchronise with the North Stand?
5. How do we get the rest of the ground to join in?
6. Maybe we also need a few new songs too?!

Or maybe it really doesn't matter. Or maybe we're just a bunch of reserved, uptight, inhibited southern softies who feel too uncomfortable about shouting (unless we score in which case a few moments of unaccustomed delerium are permitted) or singing or chanting, preferring instead to spend the whole match muttering "FFS Barnes" and similar unfair profanities under our breath. Any maybe we should just accept that's what we are, this is as good as it's going to get and leave it?

Your last paragraph is a good summary with this addition. This has been covered many times before and unless safe standing is introduced nothing is going to change soon. Fans standing together as per the old North Stand at The Goldstone and many other grounds of that era generated an atmosphere that was spontaneous. Scarves aloft, singing and swaying as together as one doesn't happen now unless you are in Germany, I've got great memories of the old North Stand at The Goldstone doing exactly that, not every match but a fair few so called big matches. I feel sorry for younger fans that try and get things going in the North at The Amex not to have experienced that. Well done to them.
 

HawkTheSeagull

New member
Jan 31, 2012
9,122
Eastbourne
We need the Judge back in the middle

Agreed.

The issue we have is 2 main groups at either side of the North who start songs - which of course great. BUT when it gets to the middle, you have 2 different songs going on or even the same song as different speeds. The main singers must be in the middle.

And we dont need a drum either.
 
The simplest thing we can all do very easily is sing one more verse.

There are two (main) areas singing in the North Stand, with other song starters dotted in between. If you start a song, those around you will normally pick it up after the first line (quicker with certain songs of course). If enough people join in it may reach the other side of the North Stand by the end of the first verse. Once they join in there is probably only one verse left for the main singers, singing together. If you want the West to join in as well it really needs a whole verse of the North singing as one, AND for those people to believe the song is going to carry on.

Unfortunately, people do not want to sing on their own, or have the potential embarrassment of being the only one singing. Therefore it is up to the main singing areas to make those who are a bit shy believe that we are going to carry on.

If you do not agree with me try guessing when every chant that starts on Tuesday is going to end. You will succeed on all of them, because we just do not sing for long enough once something starts, and our support has taught itself an unsustainable rhythm and a finish after two lackluster runs through of every song.

Finally, singing one more verse requires a bit more breath, it requires starting off a little slower, and hopefully maintaining a slower speed throughout. Which of course is another major problem with our singing at this time.

This is so true, repetition is crucial in football chants. Think all the successful ones (especially of late) are simple and repeat. Also like the way when the Oscar Garcia Barney Rubble one starts the start of the song repeating is done with a slightly higher volume.

Our other problem is tempo...unfortunately some of our loudest contingents have none...so who wants to join in when the pace is erratic and makes little sense.
 


Puppet Master

non sequitur
Aug 14, 2012
4,055
This is so true, repetition is crucial in football chants. Think all the successful ones (especially of late) are simple and repeat. Also like the way when the Oscar Garcia Barney Rubble one starts the start of the song repeating is done with a slightly higher volume.

Our other problem is tempo...unfortunately some of our loudest contingents have none...so who wants to join in when the pace is erratic and makes little sense.

The Oscar song was SO fast on Saturday. Also some spackwits have started singing "He's got MORE stubble than Barney Rubble". Duh.
 

dougdeep

New member
May 9, 2004
37,732
SUNNY SEAFORD
If it was a choice between being quiet and making the monotonous droning dirge noise that Palace make, then I'd choose the former.
 

Blues Rock DJ

New member
Apr 18, 2011
4,007
Dorset
Our stadium has been designed, we are told, to amplify the noise generated by fans. We are also told there is a correlation between the noise and level of support generated by the fans and the performance of the team on the pitch (and vice versa). When we first moved into the Amex the level of noise and atmosphere generated by us was pretty good. As we've become more accustomed to our new surroundings things seem to have gradually quietened down and we have become reliant on extraneous factors like absurd refereeing decisions (eg Burnley), or stupid opposing fans (eg Ipswich) or massively bonkers opposing fans (eg Leeds) to get the home juices flowing. The club, in a mistaken attempt to generate some atmosphere, even resorted to the use of clackers in one unfortunately unforgettable game.

Now, as we sit handily placed just outside the play-offs with over half the season left, may be as good a time as any to take stock and see if there is anything we can do together to improve our performance as fans and thus to help the team on the pitch. It may be that, in order to achieve this and to achieve a greater degree of unity around the stadium, there is a need for a bit more organisation instead of relying on the various smaller pockets of fans dotted around the ground? I do realise that this could prove to be difficult, we can't even get enough people to learn the words of GOSBTS, let alone to aing it at the right pace even when singing along to a recording!

The main noise generating areas have emerged as being the North Stand and the WSU so the challenges may include some of the following:

1. The North Stand is our engine room of noise so how do we get the North Stand to re-unite and sing as one?
2. How do we get the North Stand to maintain a good level of noise throughout a game?
3. How do we get WSU to start singing again?
4. How do we get WSU to synchronise with the North Stand?
5. How do we get the rest of the ground to join in?
6. Maybe we also need a few new songs too?!

Or maybe it really doesn't matter. Or maybe we're just a bunch of reserved, uptight, inhibited southern softies who feel too uncomfortable about shouting (unless we score in which case a few moments of unaccustomed delerium are permitted) or singing or chanting, preferring instead to spend the whole match muttering "FFS Barnes" and similar unfair profanities under our breath. Any maybe we should just accept that's what we are, this is as good as it's going to get and leave it?


:ffsparr: done to death......
 


Hastings gull

Well-known member
Nov 23, 2013
4,635
:ffsparr: done to death......

It is tempting to regard ourselves a southern softies/ more reserved etc etc, but I don't really buy that, as there have been occasions at the Amex and indeed at the Goldstone when the atmosphere has been cracking. What didn't help last year was that so many matches seemed to start slowly as GP set us up rather negatively, and it was only after about 30 minutes or indeed the second half when we got going, which in turn got the crowd going. It is perhaps a question of what comes first -the chicken or the egg?! Yes, of course the crowd should lift the team, but life being as it is, the noise level tends to react to what is being dished up on the pitch. Also, on days when the Goldstone was full, and reserved seating was not the order of the day, fans tended to be in situ earlier, and the chanting began long before the match, whereas now many fans are still in the concourse until relatively late.
 

Cheeky Monkey

Well-known member
Jul 17, 2003
22,924
This is so true, repetition is crucial in football chants. Think all the successful ones (especially of late) are simple and repeat. Also like the way when the Oscar Garcia Barney Rubble one starts the start of the song repeating is done with a slightly higher volume.
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100% this. "Albion, Albion..." or "We are Brighton, super Brighton..." or GOSBTS or "Give us a B..." and the like just don't lend themselves to longevity in the way that the concise repetition and rhythm of something like 'Oscar Garcias Blue and white army" does. Even Leo's song, as good as it is, is too long, and dies in volume after the first line has been sung.
 

Napper

Well-known member
Jul 9, 2003
23,853
Sussex
One things for sure. . Tomorrow is seen as an easy win so atmosphere will be poor

Saturday is seen as probably not win so atmosphere will be good
 

Moshe Gariani

Well-known member
Mar 10, 2005
12,062
One things for sure. . Tomorrow is seen as an easy win so atmosphere will be poor

Saturday is seen as probably not win so atmosphere will be good
This.

Atmosphere tomorrow night will be shitter than a night out with Tony Pulis.

Atmosphere on Saturday will be excellent.
 


seagullsovergrimsby

#cpfctinpotclub
Aug 21, 2005
43,690
Crap Town
Unfortunately I can't get to many away games at the moment but I do know from the days when I went to away matches and from seeing games like last Saturdays on the TV that our away support is phenominal and I'm sure your'e right about the home atmosphere at other grounds. I just want ours to be the best and to complement the way the stadium was designed.

The away support is phenomenal because 90% of us are standing.
 

ofco8

Well-known member
May 18, 2007
2,386
Brighton
Probably some new songs needed, but not with over complicated wording. An easy to remember tune and relevant words regarding the Albion required.
Easier said than done, I am sure, although in the past some good songs have been found, and then later discarded.
 

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