Palace and Archer

Working class pride · Nov 22, 2013

In the 19070s, Brighton and Palace both got 25000 to 30000. Brighton of course are back to that. Palace have had a successful 30 years with a cup final and top flight football but struggle to get people to watch them when in the Championship (see 10,000 against Brictol City and Groupon deals). As such, I just wonder how Palace would have coped with an Archer? What would their fan base be if they had watched Hartlepool when second from bottom of the lowest league when playing 140 mile round trip from home? They are a different sought of fan base from us with their whooa whooa and drums, so would Archer at the Palace seen the end to them?

Paul Reids Sock · Nov 22, 2013

I guess an argument could as well be - what would Brighton have been like if we had had their story instead. I would hazard a guess that it was the struggles that have given us so many 'hardcore' fans due to having a much bigger feel for the club and sense of belonging

Working class pride · Nov 22, 2013

Paul Reids Sock said:
I guess an argument could as well be - what would Brighton have been like if we had had their story instead. I would hazard a guess that it was the struggles that have given us so many 'hardcore' fans due to having a much bigger feel for the club and sense of belonging[/QUOTE

Most would point to the "lost generation" to the Albion as very few young kids essentially went to Brighton for 12 years or so.

Lord Bracknell · Nov 22, 2013

Working class pride said:
I just wonder how Palace would have coped with an Archer?

One thing would have been certain. Croydon would have a bigger Sainsburys. And a MASSIVE diy store.

Working class pride · Nov 22, 2013

Lord Bracknell said:
One thing would have been certain. Croydon would have a bigger Sainsburys. And a MASSIVE diy store.

..And a Toys r Us

Notters · Nov 22, 2013

Paul Reids Sock said:
I guess an argument could as well be - what would Brighton have been like if we had had their story instead. I would hazard a guess that it was the struggles that have given us so many 'hardcore' fans due to having a much bigger feel for the club and sense of belonging

They goldstone would be a right rickety old dump by now that's for sure.

ElectricNaz · Nov 22, 2013

They'd have been fine, they wouldn't have had dwindling crowds due to long travel distances, as I'm sure they would have sorted a ground share with Millwall or (less likely) Charlton. London clubs without a ground are quite lukcy in the sense that there are so many local grounds to play at, see Fulham at Loftus Road a few years back etc...

L'hampton Eagle · Nov 22, 2013

Working class pride said:
..And a Toys r Us

Always makes me smile when I drive past

both sets of fans have had their share of hurt one way or another.
For the record here's the stats.
BHA Div
1980 16 1 24.745
1979 2 2 22.145
1978 4 2 25.265
1977 2 3 20.197
1976 4 3 15.343
1975 19 3 11.751
1974 19 3 10.864
1973 22 2 14.167
1972 2 3 17.661
1971 14 3 9.824
1970 5 3 14.711

CPFC

1980 13 1 29.794 HIGHER THAN BHA
1979 1 2 23.294 HIGHER THAN BHA
1978 9 2 19.636 LOWER THAN BHA
1977 3 3 16.016 LOWER THAN BHA
1976 5 3 20.124 HIGHER THAN BHA
1975 5 3 17.274 HIGHER THAN BHA
1974 20 2 21.797 HIGHER THAN BHA
1973 21 1 30.167 HIGHER THAN BHA
1972 20 1 26.973 HIGHER THAN BHA
1971 18 1 28.604 HIGHER THAN BHA
1970 20 1 29.901 HIGHER THAN BHA

Where's Major?
http://www.european-football-statistics.co.uk/england.htm

W.C. · Nov 22, 2013

L'hampton Eagle said:
both sets of fans have had their share of hurt one way or another.

ha! Do one.

Your lot could just never be bothered could you?

Return of the Rev · Nov 22, 2013

Working class pride said:
In the 19070s, Brighton and Palace both got 25000 to 30000. Brighton of course are back to that. Palace have had a successful 30 years with a cup final and top flight football but struggle to get people to watch them when in the Championship (see 10,000 against Brictol City and Groupon deals). As such, I just wonder how Palace would have coped with an Archer? What would their fan base be if they had watched Hartlepool when second from bottom of the lowest league when playing 140 mile round trip from home? They are a different sought of fan base from us with their whooa whooa and drums, so would Archer at the Palace seen the end to them?

no!

We have a very similar fan base,that's what stoked the rivalry in the first place

Working class pride · Nov 22, 2013

L'hampton Eagle said:
Always makes me smile when I drive past both sets of fans have had their share of hurt one way or another.
For the record here's the stats.

Of course L Eagle you need to remember that Selhurst had a higher capacity and average attendances at Selhurst were inflated when the larger clubs came to Selhurst Park and for one off games like Burnley. Brighton however would play to sell outs in those big games and not have the same size away supports that would descend on Selhurst because it it a London suburb. Just like nowadays really. I also think its right that Palace normally would get smaller gates when in the same division and of corse now, you get smaller gates despite being in the division above and Premier League. None of that the real issue tho'. The question is would the type of drum banging, whooa whooa, groupon, eagle flying support be able to keep a club alive if it had to travel 140 miles for a round trip to plat Hartlepool in the lowest division when second from bottom of the entire football league? Its a fair question given that Palace couldnt sell out its 900 away tickets to Withdean a few years ago and last season they struggled to get 10,000 through the door for Bristol City at home in the Championship..

Working class pride · Nov 22, 2013

Return of the Rev said:
no!

We have a very similar fan base,that's what stoked the rivalry in the first place

We used to Rev, but they are drum banging goal music America type fans these days. I just can't see them week in, week out negotiating the M25 for 140 mile round trip for a home game when second from bottom of the football league. The Ultra's wouldn't have permission from their parents, the groupon freebies would be taken up and goal music type fans just wouldnt see the point. I think the Albion is more of an institution for Brighton / Sussex than Palace is for Croydon / Surrey

Paul Reids Sock · Nov 22, 2013

Working class pride said:
Paul Reids Sock said:

I guess an argument could as well be - what would Brighton have been like if we had had their story instead. I would hazard a guess that it was the struggles that have given us so many 'hardcore' fans due to having a much bigger feel for the club and sense of belonging[/QUOTE

Most would point to the "lost generation" to the Albion as very few young kids essentially went to Brighton for 12 years or so.

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I guess so but I am probably considered part of that generation and in my opinion it was a big part of the Albion for me. Brighton were (and are) my club. We had an identity and a fight that brought fans together. I lived in Bromley but didn't care travelling to Brighton as it was my club and my city. I wouldn't be surprised if there are others in the same boat as me.

I guess it's the difference between real football supports and fans of the game

Working class pride · Nov 22, 2013

Paul Reids Sock said:
Working class pride said:

I guess so but I am probably considered part of that generation and in my opinion it was a big part of the Albion for me. Brighton were (and are) my club. We had an identity and a fight that brought fans together. I lived in Bromley but didn't care travelling to Brighton as it was my club and my city. I wouldn't be surprised if there are others in the same boat as me.

I see what you are saying and I'm that generation and "was there" as well so I know what you are saying. We were a local side, with a local support and it was up to us. That is a different sort of fan to a Man U or Arsenal fan. I think the test of a true fan is whether they support the team or the club which represents the area and therefore us. For me, who is in the team is something that will come and go and irrelevant to whether we support them. The club will always be there.. except it almost wasn't.

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portslade seagull · Nov 22, 2013

Just to put it into perspective an Arsenal supporting work collegue has applied for a Arse season ticket and was told there was a 50000 waiting list ( think he said Year but didn't believe that )

Tricky Dicky · Nov 22, 2013

portslade seagull said:
Just to put it into perspective an Arsenal supporting work collegue has applied for a Arse season ticket and was told there was a 50000 waiting list ( think he said Year but didn't believe that )

I believe the waiting list has been over 40,000 ever since they moved to the Emirates.

portslade seagull · Nov 22, 2013

Tricky Dicky said:
I believe the waiting list has been over 40,000 ever since they moved to the Emirates.

Maybe 50yr was right then but is seemed somewhat absurd

TheMajor · Nov 22, 2013

L'hampton Eagle said:
Always makes me smile when I drive past both sets of fans have had their share of hurt one way or another.
For the record here's the stats.
BHA Div
1980 16 1 24.745
1979 2 2 22.145
1978 4 2 25.265
1977 2 3 20.197
1976 4 3 15.343
1975 19 3 11.751
1974 19 3 10.864
1973 22 2 14.167
1972 2 3 17.661
1971 14 3 9.824
1970 5 3 14.711

CPFC

1980 13 1 29.794 HIGHER THAN BHA
1979 1 2 23.294 HIGHER THAN BHA
1978 9 2 19.636 LOWER THAN BHA
1977 3 3 16.016 LOWER THAN BHA
1976 5 3 20.124 HIGHER THAN BHA
1975 5 3 17.274 HIGHER THAN BHA
1974 20 2 21.797 HIGHER THAN BHA
1973 21 1 30.167 HIGHER THAN BHA
1972 20 1 26.973 HIGHER THAN BHA
1971 18 1 28.604 HIGHER THAN BHA
1970 20 1 29.901 HIGHER THAN BHA

Where's Major?
http://www.european-football-statistics.co.uk/england.htm

The fact of the matter is that since the end of the 2nd World War , when the two clubs share a division, Albion average an overall higher home attendance than Palace , even taking into consideration that 2 of those seasons we played in a stadium with a capacity of 8k.

During that period neither Club has posted a higher home attendance average than the other when the other Club was playing in a higher division - of course that fact may soon change

Sloe Joe · Nov 22, 2013

Archer and Palace would have been natural bedfellows and would have happily accompanied each other six foot under

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