Rooney sums it up!

silent-assasin · Sep 11, 2013

Ok Wayne's gash was pretty bad but surely a few stitches and a bandage would have enabled him to play last night??
Is this another example of club over country?
Why don't we have any players with grit, passion and determination anymore?
What happened to the players like Terry 'blood bath' Butcher and Stuart 'Psycho' Pearce?
I'd give a body part to represent my country, and would still play if it was still bleeding!
If the players don't give a **** then how can we?

Come on England, grow a pair!!

Commander · Sep 11, 2013

If you paid an employee £150K a week, how would you feel about him going off to do some voluntary work for someone else with a head injury that there was a very good chance would be aggravated during it?

ozseagull · Sep 11, 2013

Clubs are bigger and more influential than the FA. Money talks. That's it.

bhafc99 · Sep 11, 2013

I'm with the Guardian report, that said Lambert actually made a more mature and rounded contribution than a "tetchy and peripheral" Rooney had on the same pitch 12 months previously against Italy.

nwgull · Sep 11, 2013

Every now and then there's a poll on here that goes something along the lines of: England to win the World Cup, or Brighton to win the league. Brighton wins every time. Why should we expect other clubs and their players to be any different?

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Herr Tubthumper · Sep 11, 2013

bhafc99 said:
I'm with the Guardian report, that said Lambert actually made a more mature and rounded contribution than a "tetchy and peripheral" Rooney had on the same pitch 12 months previously against Italy.

I'd rather have someone like Lambert playing to be quite honest. He genuinely seemed honoured to play for the nation. I'm not convinced Rooney has the hunger for club football let alone England these days.

Hillian1 · Sep 11, 2013

Pantani · Sep 11, 2013

It is all well and good posting that picture of Terry Butcher and asking why none of our players are like that now. Yet we all know that Butcher would not be allowed to play in that condition now. Same, probably, goes for Rooney, head wound likely to opened up by heading a football = cannot play.

Blues Rock DJ · Sep 11, 2013

Hillian1 said:
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MICK PATCHAM · Sep 11, 2013

agree with the op

Hillian1 · Sep 11, 2013

Pantani said:
It is all well and good posting that picture of Terry Butcher and asking why none of our players are like that now. Yet we all know that Butcher would not be allowed to play in that condition now. Same, probably, goes for Rooney, head wound likely to opened up by heading a football = cannot play.

Yes yes, I know blood injuries have to leave the field, change shirts etc but Butcher belonged to a generation who would quite literally bleed for the cause.

bhafc99 · Sep 11, 2013

Pantani said:
It is all well and good posting that picture of Terry Butcher and asking why none of our players are like that now. Yet we all know that Butcher would not be allowed to play in that condition now. Same, probably, goes for Rooney, head wound likely to opened up by heading a football = cannot play.

If not literally, then as a metaphor for a core of passion, commitment and honour to play for England that seems to have faded more and more in recent years.

Superphil · Sep 11, 2013

I agree that there isn't the passion and desire to play for England that there once was, but also there isn't the quality either, not existing, nor coming through. We should take a leaf out of crickets or tennis books, find some decent foreigners, and work out how to make themEnglish enough to play for England.

Westdene Seagull · Sep 11, 2013

Herr Tubthumper said:
I'd rather have someone like Lambert playing to be quite honest. He genuinely seemed honoured to play for the nation. I'm not convinced Rooney has the hunger for club football let alone England these days.

Absolutely agree - Rooney shouldn't have the privilege of wearing an England shirt again.

cunning fergus · Sep 11, 2013

silent-assasin said:
Ok Wayne's gash was pretty bad but surely a few stitches and a bandage would have enabled him to play last night??
Is this another example of club over country?
Why don't we have any players with grit, passion and determination anymore?
What happened to the players like Terry 'blood bath' Butcher and Stuart 'Psycho' Pearce?
I'd give a body part to represent my country, and would still play if it was still bleeding!
If the players don't give a **** then how can we?

Come on England, grow a pair!!

You are being reactionary and hysterical about Rooney.

Terry Butcher and Paul Ince may have acquired legendary status on the nights they played with head wounds and blood stained shirts, however they got their injuries during the games, when adrenalin would have been pumping round their bodies mitigating the pain.

Rooney has evidently got a serious head wound which following a weeks stitching would be very sore, and sure he could have got an injection or something but last night wasn't quite do or die for qualification to Brazil where he had to put everything on the line (even if he wanted to).

On the broader theme though I agree, however capitalism trumps patriotism, for both the players and the clubs, I personally don't agree with it but tragically this is an unintended consequence of the Prem.

Kumquat · Sep 11, 2013

I thin it's easy to criticise the players for not trying but last night wasn't one of them. Gerrard gave everything in particular and always does and Cahill was immense at the back. Ashley Cole was also working his socks off. Lampard had a strangely quiet game. I think the problem lies in a certain lack of football intelligence and inexperience with the younger ones. Kyle Walker seems to have let the limelight get to him and will be interesting to see how he reacts. Wilshere also wasn't fit, but seemed for once a little overawed too. Technically we are still weak and when that leads to stray passes and heads drop I think people tend to see that as a lack of commitment. We've struggled to have a real leader for years. I really like Gerrard and I think he leads brilliantly by example on the pitch but not sure he's the "inspire you with fire" sort of type like Harry Redknapp, that makes a player feel ten foot tall. Overall in both games this and last week I think we've been tactically sound and the team did a great job to get those two results with the amount of injuries. I don't think lack of commitment was an issue in either games.

W.C. · Sep 11, 2013

When I heard about the Rooney injury I thought, eh? can't they just stitch it up.

When I saw it though, fair enough.

When are england fans going to stop dishing out constant shit to our players about 'passion' or whatever.

Rooney's shite first touch when he has an England shirt on is all that I care about.

Kumquat · Sep 11, 2013

I wonder if NSC would allow the username "Wayne Rooney's Gash"

brightn'ove · Sep 11, 2013

Superphil said:
I agree that there isn't the passion and desire to play for England that there once was, but also there isn't the quality either, not existing, nor coming through. We should take a leaf out of crickets or tennis books, find some decent foreigners, and work out how to make themEnglish enough to play for England.

Arteta, for example, is qualified to play for England. But would he be good enough?

Grombleton · Sep 11, 2013

Blah blah Rooney is the antichrist blah blah during the war blah blah.

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