Homophobic Derby Fans banned

Grunty · Sep 4, 2013

if they chanted ' we can see you holding hands'- does that mean we cant reply ' you are too ugly to be gay' ?

This from The BBC-

Derby County fans banned for homophobic chants at Brighton
Two Derby County fans who admitted shouting homophobic abuse at Brighton supporters have been banned from football matches for three years.

Brothers Shane, 25, and Daniel Davies, 20, were arrested after a game at Brighton's Amex Stadium on 10 August.

The pair, both Derby County season ticket holders from Brough, in the East Riding of Yorkshire, cannot attend any matches in the UK or abroad.

Shane Davies was order to pay a £160 fine and Daniel Davies fined £87.

They were sentenced at Brighton Magistrates' Court on Monday after pleading guilty to public order offences at an earlier hearing.

'Not tolerated'
Derbyshire Constabulary said this was the first time Rams fans had been given football banning orders over homophobic abuse.

PC Allan Guy added: "Homophobic abuse won't be tolerated.

"This type of behaviour is unacceptable and using it in a football stadium is no different.

"Hopefully this will serve as a reminder to supporters that action will be taken against anyone causing offence by using this type of language."

Both men were ordered to pay £50 costs and a £20 victim surcharge.

Kumquat · Sep 4, 2013

Kind of depends what they actually said doesn't it really. Given the punishment I doubt it was "we can see you holding hands". The CPS and the police are dumb very often but they're not that dumb.

martin tyler · Sep 4, 2013

Seems harsh but may send out amessage. Personally the chanting does not bother me.

Mellor 3 Ward 4 · Sep 4, 2013

martin tyler said:
Seems harsh but may send out amessage. Personally the chanting does not bother me.

No problem with the chanting.

I do have a problem with people outside the stadium or in the train queue spouting foul mouthed homophobic abuse at kids.

Grunty · Sep 4, 2013

surely fans chanting 'homophobic' comments to [ i presume] mostly straight blokes is an empty insult and therefore meaningless..

algie · Sep 4, 2013

Good. Plenty more of this.

The Wizard · Sep 4, 2013

It won't be for something as trivial as 'we can see you holding hands' that's for sure, I've heard some truly vile things being said that do warrant arrest and not just being cast off as 'banter' for example I saw a Swansea fan 4-5 years ago on the train back I won't mention exactly what they were doing as its disgusting but it involved a mother and her son who were brighton fans having things shouted at them and graphic actions, truly vile people I did report them to the train operator but of course nothing was done.

I'm certain this must have been sonething particularly bad.

Notters · Sep 4, 2013

Grunty said:
surely fans chanting 'homophobic' comments to [ i presume] mostly straight blokes is an empty insult and therefore meaningless..

Yeah, much like the "im going to smash your head in you ****ing poofter" chap I encountered up at Wednesday

lol

last season.

Baron Pepperpot · Sep 4, 2013

It does depend on what is said, but to be honest, if other fans are prepared to insinuate that Northerners beat up their wives and south Londoners are scum then I'm not sure what the difference is :shrug:

severnside gull · Sep 4, 2013

Saw or rather heard them after they had been loaded in the police van and they were being pretty foulmouthed and aggressive then. If their behaviour was as vicious before then no surpise they were arrested.

Durlston · Sep 4, 2013

Grunty said:
surely fans chanting 'homophobic' comments to [ i presume] mostly straight blokes is an empty insult and therefore meaningless..

Why should you have to explain (or try and avoid) to your eight-year old lad or nephew what HIV or AIDS is if that was sung repeatedly? Absolutely disgraceful.

Kumquat · Sep 4, 2013

Grunty said:
surely fans chanting 'homophobic' comments to [ i presume] mostly straight blokes is an empty insult and therefore meaningless..

It's an interesting one that. I think straight blokes (and girls while we are at it) can still find it offensive because in a liberal society one can be upset by homophobia whether straight or gay. But my feeling simply on my reaction when seeing it is dependent on who it is. The Palace fans reaction when they beat us 3-1 at the Amex first season was awful in my view. They just seemed to be in some kind of timewarp. Some of the other fans though have just enjoyed the banter. Maybe that sort of banter isn't really acceptable and I certainly think the FA can do much more to tackle the issue in the game given the effort theyve made on racism, but I have a couple of gay friends who think i'm being a bit precious about it. I kind of agree. I think like racism, we should be dealing with it on a club culture level, not the fan issue. My two gay friends love the responses we give when abused and think that does more to ridicule it than anything.

Bevendean Hillbilly · Sep 4, 2013

Grunty said:
surely fans chanting 'homophobic' comments to [ i presume] mostly straight blokes is an empty insult and therefore meaningless..

I'm mostly straight. Except Wednesdays. Obviously.

Thunder Bolt · Sep 4, 2013

Kumquat said:
Kind of depends what they actually said doesn't it really. Given the punishment I doubt it was "we can see you holding hands". The CPS and the police are dumb very often but they're not that dumb.

It was not for any of the chants in the stadium. They also pleaded guilty.

Barrel of Fun · Sep 4, 2013

This will be picked up upon across the country and we'll be labelled as precious.

It's a shame it has not been published as to what their misdemeanours were.

Thunder Bolt · Sep 5, 2013

Barrel of Fun said:
This will be picked up upon across the country and we'll be labelled as precious.

It's a shame it has not been published as to what their misdemeanours were.

Severnside gull in post 10 is very close.

Barrel of Fun · Sep 5, 2013

Thunder Bolt said:
Severnside gull in post 10 is very close.

Thanks. I was hoping for details. With some cases, you get quotes.

stripeyshark · Sep 5, 2013

Grunty said:
if they chanted ' we can see you holding hands'- does that mean we cant reply ' you are too ugly to be gay' ?

This from The BBC-

Derby County fans banned for homophobic chants at Brighton
Two Derby County fans who admitted shouting homophobic abuse at Brighton supporters have been banned from football matches for three years.

Brothers Shane, 25, and Daniel Davies, 20, were arrested after a game at Brighton's Amex Stadium on 10 August.

The pair, both Derby County season ticket holders from Brough, in the East Riding of Yorkshire, cannot attend any matches in the UK or abroad.

Shane Davies was order to pay a £160 fine and Daniel Davies fined £87.

They were sentenced at Brighton Magistrates' Court on Monday after pleading guilty to public order offences at an earlier hearing.

'Not tolerated'
Derbyshire Constabulary said this was the first time Rams fans had been given football banning orders over homophobic abuse.

PC Allan Guy added: "Homophobic abuse won't be tolerated.

"This type of behaviour is unacceptable and using it in a football stadium is no different.

"Hopefully this will serve as a reminder to supporters that action will be taken against anyone causing offence by using this type of language."

Both men were ordered to pay £50 costs and a £20 victim surcharge.

That means they can't go on holiday every other June aswell. Over zealous, ridiculous punishment.

BensGrandad · Sep 5, 2013

I think that the banning order is wrong as most fans arent offended by such comments including gay supporters, most just laugh it off.

Lord Bracknell · Sep 5, 2013

Baron Pepperpot said:
It does depend on what is said, but to be honest, if other fans are prepared to insinuate that Northerners beat up their wives and south Londoners are scum then I'm not sure what the difference is

The difference is quite straightforward. The Equalities Act 2010 defines "protected characteristics" where the law will take action in relation to discrimination, harassment and victimisation. These are:- Age, Disability, Gender Reassignment, Marriage & Civil Partnerships, Pregnancy & Maternity, Race, Religion or Belief, Sex and Sexual Orientation.

Living in the North of England is not a protected characteristic.

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