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Paddy B

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Jul 5, 2003
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Horsham
Without knowing too much about the subject, my take on this is that instead of a unilateral process for all patients nearing death, there will now be individually tailored plans agreed with families.

Is this not a good thing? Or is there something I am missing ?

If my understanding is wrong, please correct me.

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Mr Bridger

Mr Bridger

Sound of the suburbs
Feb 25, 2013
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Earth
Who would want to go to Liverpool anyway? FFS
 


One Teddy Maybank

One Teddy Maybank

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Aug 4, 2006
21,606
Worthing
My understanding is that the LCP has not been very successful and their is evidence to back this up. I actually thought this was suggested 18 months ago, though I could be wrong.
 


Uncle C

Uncle C

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Jul 6, 2004
11,683
Bishops Stortford
One Teddy Maybank said:
My understanding is that the LCP has not been very successful and their is evidence to back this up. I actually thought this was suggested 18 months ago, though I could be wrong.
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Its lost its value now the general public know about it. It will be replaced by a similar scheme with a different name.
 




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Da Man Clay

T'Blades
Dec 16, 2004
16,254
Irrelevant. It'll be replaced by something exactly the same. There is no way they are going to force people to live longer through evasive or painful treatment.
 




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Trevor

In my Fifties, still know nothing
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Dec 16, 2012
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I don't think that LCP is a bad framework - and can offer the most humane way forward. 2 big points
1) Everybody who has close family should make it very clear to them how they would to be treated towards the end of their lives
2) Health providers must communicate very clearly - the worst problems are when this hasn't happened

I think in our society that we sometimes care too much about length of life and not enough about quality of life
 




One Teddy Maybank

One Teddy Maybank

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Aug 4, 2006
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Trevor said:
I don't think that LCP is a bad framework - and can offer the most humane way forward. 2 big points
1) Everybody who has close family should make it very clear to them how they would to be treated towards the end of their lives
2) Health providers must communicate very clearly - the worst problems are when this hasn't happened

I think in our society that we sometimes care too much about length of life and not enough about quality of life
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Great post!
 


drew

drew

Drew
Oct 3, 2006
23,048
Burgess Hill
Paddy B said:
Without knowing too much about the subject, my take on this is that instead of a unilateral process for all patients nearing death, there will now be individually tailored plans agreed with families.

Is this not a good thing? Or is there something I am missing ?

If my understanding is wrong, please correct me.

I
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Where has it ever been considered a unilateral process? That suggests that there is someone makes a decision without consultation with anyone else, especially relatives. There has been some bad practice which should be rooted out but there is nothing wrong with the principles behind it. What exactly do you think an individually tailored plan to die will be? What should be changed is any financial reward for using the process. If you take away LCP then what is the alternative.

Da Man Clay said:
Irrelevant. It'll be replaced by something exactly the same. There is no way they are going to force people to live longer through evasive or painful treatment.
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Have to agree with this.
 








Lord Bracknell

Lord Bracknell

On fire
Jul 5, 2003
39,499
104 Upper Grosvenor Street, Mayfair
Having recently had a conversation with my consultant along the lines of "what would happen if I decided I didn't want any treatment at all?" [answer - you'll die and sooner than you want to], I have every confidence in the ability of both the NHS and families to take a mature and considered approach to this issue. A headline decision about one of the options available isn't going to change this.
 


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