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Dale Cregan



LA1972

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Police just announced on the BBC that some officers have not yet returned to work as they are still too upset at the death of the two WPCs. How long does one need to grieve? More to the point how much time do you need off work?
 


Lenny Rider

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Sep 15, 2010
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Police just announced on the BBC that some officers have not yet returned to work as they are still too upset at the death of the two WPCs. How long does one need to grieve? More to the point how much time do you need off work?


Grief effects everybody differently, I think given the circumstances and how certain things can push people over the edge I think your being a tad harsh.
 


drew

Drew
Oct 3, 2006
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Burgess Hill
Do you know for a fact that it is just grief and not the fact that they attended the scene and found two of their friends/colleagues shot dead and blown up with grenades that has traumatised them?
 


BigGully

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Sep 8, 2006
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Shirkers no doubt, of course they experience grief, sadness, shock but they are off because they can.

Perhaps a thought for our soldiers that experience unimaginable horrors, but of course do not seek time off, they provide the ultimate service.
 


FloatLeft

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Jun 12, 2012
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That's why you shouldn't have women in the police or forces. Too emotional and hysterical by far I say old chaps.
 




Barrel of Fun

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Shirkers no doubt, of course they experience grief, sadness, shock but they are off because they can.

Perhaps a thought for our soldiers that experience unimaginable horrors, but of course do not seek time off, they provide the ultimate service.

This is one case out of many incidents across the country. Trauma affects people in different ways.

Soldiers do seek leave for stress due to traumatic incidents.

Your post comes across as being very callous without any knowledge of the people affected by this horrific incident.
 


Seagull over Canaryland

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Feb 8, 2011
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Some rather mischievous comments on here. I wonder how many of these are from armchair observers and how many posters have actually seen and dealt with the aftermath of a grenade attack or explosions? I suspect that some of the WPCs colleagues will have had to literally pick up the pieces.

I'd rather channel my outcry against Dale Cregan or maybe the recent compensation claim by the PC who tripped over a kerb, which is put in perspective by this.

I'm not an apologist but suggest that the persons concerned will have been given specialist debriefing and counselling, this may take a long time. OK its frustrating but affects different people in different ways.

Military personnel are expected to 'man up' but even they suffer PTSD. We are all human. You can have the best training in the world but you don't know how you will react until faced with an actual horrific scenario. Even if you are experienced in dealing with very graphic situations it can catch up with you at some point. Police and other services routinely deal with many, many situations over the course of their work, most of whom will carry out their work professionally but will all have some degree of feelings after. In my experience you develop a gallows humour as a way of coping, which may seem cold and callous but it a way of being able to keep going back to horrible incidents.

The people who complain about this sort of thing will be the same as those who moan about their train being delayed because of a person on the line. Who do you think picks up the pieces after someone has been hit by a train? A nightmare for many punters but part of a typical day at the office for others. Could you do it?
 


Uncle C

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BigGully

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This is one case out of many incidents across the country. Trauma affects people in different ways.

Soldiers do seek leave for stress due to traumatic incidents.

Your post comes across as being very callous without any knowledge of the people affected by this horrific incident.

Yep it was a bit flippant.

But my point stands, they are stringing it and I can whiff a pathway to early retirement too if their Union gets a move on and the hired psychologists pulls a 'ongoing trauma' report out of the hat.

It happened in May 2012 and I have acknowledge it was a horrific incident and my thoughts are with their families, but if your want me to commend and support those that are still not working than I wont.
 


martyn20

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Aug 4, 2012
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Yep it was a bit flippant.

But my point stands, they are stringing it and I can whiff a pathway to early retirement too if their Union gets a move on and the hired psychologists pulls a 'ongoing trauma' report out of the hat.

It happened in May 2012 and I have acknowledge it was a horrific incident and my thoughts are with their families, but if your want me to commend and support those that are still not working than I wont.

Policemen and women know this could happen to anyone of them at any moment, and those is the city know it could have been anyone of them involved in this incident.
How long would you like them to take before they give themselves a shake and get back to normal. I would imagine that is your advice for them to help get over this?
 








BigGully

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Sep 8, 2006
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Policemen and women know this could happen to anyone of them at any moment, and those is the city know it could have been anyone of them involved in this incident.
How long would you like them to take before they give themselves a shake and get back to normal. I would imagine that is your advice for them to help get over this?

Firstly thankfully it isnt likely to happen and an effective serving police officer needs to have a level of resilience, probably imperative.

Most policeman experience carnage in so many different ways, road accidents probably offering enough sadness to last a lifetime, but most whilst being effected do their job of work.

Most on here no doubt have suffered trauma and grief with loved one and people close, but I do not know one colleague that have found it helpful or necessary to take over a year off from their work.

It shouldn't mean we are not hurting or sad, its just a example of how people cope.

When the public sector throw up these anomalies, it is fair to challenge.
 








drew

Drew
Oct 3, 2006
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Burgess Hill
Yep it was a bit flippant.

But my point stands, they are stringing it and I can whiff a pathway to early retirement too if their Union gets a move on and the hired psychologists pulls a 'ongoing trauma' report out of the hat.

It happened in May 2012 and I have acknowledge it was a horrific incident and my thoughts are with their families, but if your want me to commend and support those that are still not working than I wont.

Do you share the same view of soldiers that come back and suffer PTSD. Based on your arguments they are shirkers too.

Firstly thankfully it isnt likely to happen and an effective serving police officer needs to have a level of resilience, probably imperative.

Most policeman experience carnage in so many different ways, road accidents probably offering enough sadness to last a lifetime, but most whilst being effected do their job of work.

Most on here no doubt have suffered trauma and grief with loved one and people close, but I do not know one colleague that have found it helpful or necessary to take over a year off from their work.

It shouldn't mean we are not hurting or sad, its just a example of how people cope.

When the public sector throw up these anomalies, it is fair to challenge.

You are one sad f***er.
 


BigGully

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Sep 8, 2006
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Do you share the same view of soldiers that come back and suffer PTSD. Based on your arguments they are shirkers too.

Quite clearly stated that I dont.

You are one sad f***er.

Dont you go and traumatise me now will you .....
 




drew

Drew
Oct 3, 2006
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Burgess Hill
How long should the state continue to pay the salary's of these officers Martyn, a year, two, five, forever?

Do you know how many are actually affected? It could be one or two who actually attended the scene. In the private sector, many companies have insurance for employees that are permanently unable to carry out their job why shouldn't those in the public sector have the same. If they are genuinely traumatised then I don't have a problem with them receiving payment. If they are shirkers then I agree they should get back to work or change career but is anyone on NSC in a position to correctly assess that?
 


Do you know how many are actually affected? It could be one or two who actually attended the scene. In the private sector, many companies have insurance for employees that are permanently unable to carry out their job why shouldn't those in the public sector have the same. If they are genuinely traumatised then I don't have a problem with them receiving payment. If they are shirkers then I agree they should get back to work or change career but is anyone on NSC in a position to correctly assess that?

And that is exactly the point I am trying to make.
 



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