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wilko1

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Feb 23, 2009
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Eastbourne
Seems to me they have the same failings
In both our game 2nd leg, and today's final....both Gus and Zola had no plan B
Watford weren't able to change the shape of the game, Holloway for the second time did a job on them
I don't think Holloway is a great manager, and will get found out next season, however his experience showed
 




upthealbion1970

upthealbion1970

bring on the trumpets....
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Jan 22, 2009
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Woodingdean
Zola's team made it to the final after being behind in the 1st leg, whereas we played well in the 1st half of the 1st leg then bottled it. Big difference
 


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The Camel

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Nov 1, 2010
1,520
Darlington, UK
Managers should play to the strengths of their players.

Gus's problem wasn't the lack of a plan B, it was plan A didn't use the strengths of his players - especially CMS and Vicente.

Zola's problem today was his big players didn't play up to their potential, whereas Zaha and Jedinak were outstanding.

People get too obsessed about systems and formations - it's how players perform that really matters.
 


Meade's Ball

Meade's Ball

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Jul 7, 2003
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Hither (sometimes Thither)
It does astonish me repeatedly this notion people have of a Plan B when really it involves bunging a hulking centreback up front after making a series of substitutions. We tried doing that against Palace at home and it did not pay off. Players can sometimes just chicken it on occasion, the importance of the game itself overpowering their levelheadedness and their usual play just not paying off. It can be down to wanting to make an enormous individual impression on a globally-televised occasion and forgetting about working as a member of a team, or anxiety appearing that says ONE BLUNDER AND WE ARE NOT THEN ON £25K A WEEK AND PLAYING THE TITANS OF THIS COUNTRY. In the second leg, our touch was poor and this had nothing to do with tactics. It all got too much for players i would expect more from. David is all about touch, but the ball spun off of his foot repeatedly, so once a weakness is spotted both by opposition and ourselves, then it magnifies and the nervousness spreads. In terms of the actions taken, we brought Barnes on and with a little more chance and even composure, we could have had ourselves 2 up with his first 2 touches. It was not a hideously one-sided affair. They had a £15m winger and no other real quality to the rest of the team. They used their one star. Wow, how did they think of that. So clever. It was no Plan B for them. Just keep getting the ball to him as he will do something at some point. They were right, but it was no genius act.
 


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Del Boy

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Oct 1, 2004
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The Camel said:
didn't use the strengths of his players - especially CMS and Vicente.
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Should he put CMS in DEFENCE due to his excellent ability of clearing danger from the penalty box into the stands?

Vicente makes Darren Anderton look like a machine.
 




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The Camel

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Nov 1, 2010
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Darlington, UK
Meade's Ball said:
It does astonish me repeatedly this notion people have of a Plan B when really it involves bunging a hulking centreback up front after making a series of substitutions. We tried doing that against Palace at home and it did not pay off. Players can sometimes just chicken it on occasion, the importance of the game itself overpowering their levelheadedness and their usual play just not paying off. It can be down to wanting to make an enormous individual impression on a globally-televised occasion and forgetting about working as a member of a team, or anxiety appearing that says ONE BLUNDER AND WE ARE NOT THEN ON £25K A WEEK AND PLAYING THE TITANS OF THIS COUNTRY. In the second leg, our touch was poor and this had nothing to do with tactics. It all got too much for players i would expect more from. David is all about touch, but the ball spun off of his foot repeatedly, so once a weakness is spotted both by opposition and ourselves, then it magnifies and the nervousness spreads. In terms of the actions taken, we brought Barnes on and with a little more chance and even composure, we could have had ourselves 2 up with his first 2 touches. It was not a hideously one-sided affair. They had a £15m winger and no other real quality to the rest of the team. They used their one star. Wow, how did they think of that. So clever. It was no Plan B for them. Just keep getting the ball to him as he will do something at some point. They were right, but it was no genius act.
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Absolutely agree.

Brighton's players as a group are superior footballers to Crystal Palace's

The reason Palace went through is Brighton's players didn't perform to a high enough level and Palace's got every bit out of their mob.

The reason?

Wrong tactics? Lack of motivation? Complacency? Overawed?

Probably a bit of all of these. But in the end not having a plan B was not the reason Palace went through.
 


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timbha

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Jul 5, 2003
9,888
Sussex
Zola and Poyet outwitted by Holloway. Hate to say it but it's true.
 


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Seagull over Canaryland

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Feb 8, 2011
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timbha said:
Zola and Poyet outwitted by Holloway. Hate to say it but it's true.
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That's the bit that hurts. Getting mugged by Holloway.

The other manager who must be feeling a bit mixed about today is Dougie Freedman, after he gave the Palace side the belief and momentum that got them well into contention, whereas Holloway nearly blew it.
 




Rookie

Rookie

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Feb 8, 2005
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What people seem to forget (or don't want to remember) is we hit the bar and had the ball cleared off the line before Palace scored, its all fine margins. We were not as bad as some believe in the 2nd leg
 








Thunder Bolt

Thunder Bolt

Silly old bat
Aug 18, 2009
65,436
Beside the seaside, beside the sea
Why do people write off Holloway? He has taken Blackpool, QPR and now Palace to the Premier League. He is a good manager although everyone likes to laugh at the 'worzel'.
 




W.C.

W.C.

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Oct 31, 2011
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Meade's Ball said:
It does astonish me repeatedly this notion people have of a Plan B when really it involves bunging a hulking centreback up front after making a series of substitutions. We tried doing that against Palace at home and it did not pay off. Players can sometimes just chicken it on occasion, the importance of the game itself overpowering their levelheadedness and their usual play just not paying off. It can be down to wanting to make an enormous individual impression on a globally-televised occasion and forgetting about working as a member of a team, or anxiety appearing that says ONE BLUNDER AND WE ARE NOT THEN ON £25K A WEEK AND PLAYING THE TITANS OF THIS COUNTRY. In the second leg, our touch was poor and this had nothing to do with tactics. It all got too much for players i would expect more from. David is all about touch, but the ball spun off of his foot repeatedly, so once a weakness is spotted both by opposition and ourselves, then it magnifies and the nervousness spreads. In terms of the actions taken, we brought Barnes on and with a little more chance and even composure, we could have had ourselves 2 up with his first 2 touches. It was not a hideously one-sided affair. They had a £15m winger and no other real quality to the rest of the team. They used their one star. Wow, how did they think of that. So clever. It was no Plan B for them. Just keep getting the ball to him as he will do something at some point. They were right, but it was no genius act.
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Right. As always.
 


W.C.

W.C.

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Oct 31, 2011
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littlehampton seagull said:
Reminds me of chelsea in the champions league last year the tatics that palace used.defend close down nick a goal.
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was thinking exactly the same thing.

It's not exactly rocket science is it? Holloway was on a desperate run of results so he kept it tight. Worked over 3 games. Could so easily have not, and won't work in the Premier league.
 


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