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Gus's most damning statistic



Scunner

Scunner

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Feb 26, 2012
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I don't know why, but I made myself sit through the highlights of last week's game on Monday night.

After the first goal was scored, the Sky commentators made a big issue of the fact that Brighton had not overturned a deficit since the Doncaster game.

I am not a 'statto', so I haven't verified this (I stand to be corrected), but if true it's quite a problem for Gus as the one thing a manager can do once the game is underway, to alter the course of it, is change the direction of it with tactics or personnel.

I have always been a big fan of his style of play, but this stat allied to Vicente's assertions of sterile training in the Argus would seem to point to tactical intransigence on Gus's behalf and this could undermine him in the future.

I have also had a strong tip-off: Everton.
 






Triggaaar

Triggaaar

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Oct 24, 2005
50,202
Goldstone
Scunner said:
After the first goal was scored, the Sky commentators made a big issue of the fact that Brighton had not overturned a deficit since the Doncaster game.
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We've come from behind to draw games. And we often score first, so it's not applicable there. Before Ulloa, we were also less suited to breaking down a team that sits behind the ball. The main statistic of note, is that we finished 4th.
 


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army ali

New member
Aug 29, 2006
438
Near Coventry, stones throw from the empty Ricoh,
Scunner said:
I don't know why, but I made myself sit through the highlights of last week's game on Monday night.

After the first goal was scored, the Sky commentators made a big issue of the fact that Brighton had not overturned a deficit since the Doncaster game.

I am not a 'statto', so I haven't verified this (I stand to be corrected), but if true it's quite a problem for Gus as the one thing a manager can do once the game is underway, to alter the course of it, is change the direction of it with tactics or personnel.

I have always been a big fan of his style of play, but this stat allied to Vicente's assertions of sterile training in the Argus would seem to point to tactical intransigence on Gus's behalf and this could undermine him in the future.

I have also had a strong tip-off: Everton.
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I too have had a tip off: Everton. Due to litigation concerns, and I can only speculate on a conversation I have had with an Everton fan who can confirm or not that Gus was there a couple of weeks back, or not. I take this with a pinch of salt (not sauce) and can neither confirm any substantiation behind this and I am only stating to the best of my knowledge that I have only passed on information relating to a very casual conversation with a trusted or untrusted source. Thank you.
 


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seagull_in_malaysia

Active member
Aug 18, 2006
910
Reading
Yup. The team almost broke it away at Wolves and away at Brum though. Had the team not conceded in stoppage time in both of those fixtures BHA would be a Premier League team right now.
 




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goldstone

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Jul 5, 2003
7,125
Agree with the OP. Gus needed a plan B and it appeared that he seldom, if ever had one.
 




sully

sully

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Jul 7, 2003
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It was also the first time I'd taken my flag back to the AMEX since the Doncaster game. That didn't break the jinx :down:
 






Gazwag

Gazwag

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Mar 4, 2004
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Scunner said:
I don't know why, but I made myself sit through the highlights of last week's game on Monday night.

After the first goal was scored, the Sky commentators made a big issue of the fact that Brighton had not overturned a deficit since the Doncaster game.

I am not a 'statto', so I haven't verified this (I stand to be corrected), but if true it's quite a problem for Gus as the one thing a manager can do once the game is underway, to alter the course of it, is change the direction of it with tactics or personnel.

I have always been a big fan of his style of play, but this stat allied to Vicente's assertions of sterile training in the Argus would seem to point to tactical intransigence on Gus's behalf and this could undermine him in the future.

I have also had a strong tip-off: Everton.
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Well the sky commentators are wrong, Chelsea scored first and we beat them 3-1
 








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Mo Gosfield

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Aug 11, 2010
6,284
Gazwag said:
Well the sky commentators are wrong, Chelsea scored first and we beat them 3-1
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Official stats don't apply to friendlies or testimonials.
The failure to come from behind to win in 91 league games is entirely down to the manager and his tactics. Its not bad luck or pure coincidence, there is a reason for it. He has one way of playing and doesn't want to change. He is narrow minded and inflexible. Our ' possession football ' suits us when we are ahead. We can protect what we have. The other team has to do the worrying. The manager's cautious nature fits comfortably with this, he likes it and his confidence transmits to the players.
When a team goes behind it sometimes calls for throwing caution to the wind to get back into the game. Gus won't do this. It disrupts the game-plan. He believes implicitly in our style of play and firmly believes that all will come good if we just keep doing all the right things he has told the players to do.
Well football doesn't always work like that. Sometimes you have to screw up the game-plan and invent something different. Its called thinking on your feet. Not one of Gus' strengths and clearly his assistant ( who spends ages scribbling notes during games...what the hell is he doing?....writing love notes to Gus! ) hasn't got any original thoughts in his locker either.
If Gus stayed for all of next season we still wouldn't win a game from behind. He would still play the same way and it would still yield the same results.
He has a blueprint and intends sticking to it. It is great at times but hugely frustrating at other times. The better the manager and the better the players he encounters along the way, the more he will flounder.
Wasn't it rotten of Holloway to bring on Bolassie and free up Zaha to roam all over the place. Gus hadn't allowed for that!
Some BHA fans refer to the glorious wins over Barnsley, Sheff Wed, Huddersfield and Blackpool and say its some of the best football seen for 30 years. Some of it was very good but you have to remember the games where you left the ground pulling your hair out in frustration. The teams who worked us out and we couldn't break them down. The times you wanted Gus to make changes and he wouldn't. He and Tanno expecting their game-plan to always deliver. The players that haven't ' trained on ' under Gus, notably the enigmatic Will Buckley, occasional match-winner, regular no.1 Mr Frustration. Playing exactly the same way now as when he joined.
It is a damning statistic and outsiders are always flabbergasted when I mention it. It reflects rather unfairly on the players. It implies that they lack character. That their heads drop when they fall behind and they can't raise their game. It implies that they are ' flat-track ' bullies. Great when the going is good ( i.e ahead ) not so good when they trail.
No, its not the players. Its the manager and his system. Simple as that.
 






Rich Suvner

Rich Suvner

Skint years RIP
Jul 17, 2003
2,500
Worthing
Mo Gosfield said:
Official stats don't apply to friendlies or testimonials.
The failure to come from behind to win in 91 league games is entirely down to the manager and his tactics. Its not bad luck or pure coincidence, there is a reason for it. He has one way of playing and doesn't want to change. He is narrow minded and inflexible. Our ' possession football ' suits us when we are ahead. We can protect what we have. The other team has to do the worrying. The manager's cautious nature fits comfortably with this, he likes it and his confidence transmits to the players.
When a team goes behind it sometimes calls for throwing caution to the wind to get back into the game. Gus won't do this. It disrupts the game-plan. He believes implicitly in our style of play and firmly believes that all will come good if we just keep doing all the right things he has told the players to do.
Well football doesn't always work like that. Sometimes you have to screw up the game-plan and invent something different. Its called thinking on your feet. Not one of Gus' strengths and clearly his assistant ( who spends ages scribbling notes during games...what the hell is he doing?....writing love notes to Gus! ) hasn't got any original thoughts in his locker either.
If Gus stayed for all of next season we still wouldn't win a game from behind. He would still play the same way and it would still yield the same results.
He has a blueprint and intends sticking to it. It is great at times but hugely frustrating at other times. The better the manager and the better the players he encounters along the way, the more he will flounder.
Wasn't it rotten of Holloway to bring on Bolassie and free up Zaha to roam all over the place. Gus hadn't allowed for that!
Some BHA fans refer to the glorious wins over Barnsley, Sheff Wed, Huddersfield and Blackpool and say its some of the best football seen for 30 years. Some of it was very good but you have to remember the games where you left the ground pulling your hair out in frustration. The teams who worked us out and we couldn't break them down. The times you wanted Gus to make changes and he wouldn't. He and Tanno expecting their game-plan to always deliver. The players that haven't ' trained on ' under Gus, notably the enigmatic Will Buckley, occasional match-winner, regular no.1 Mr Frustration. Playing exactly the same way now as when he joined.
It is a damning statistic and outsiders are always flabbergasted when I mention it. It reflects rather unfairly on the players. It implies that they lack character. That their heads drop when they fall behind and they can't raise their game. It implies that they are ' flat-track ' bullies. Great when the going is good ( i.e ahead ) not so good when they trail.
No, its not the players. Its the manager and his system. Simple as that.
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Spot on. Which is why, despite a successful season overall, people have questioned his approach throughout the year. Many teams simply work us out.
 


Thunder Bolt

Thunder Bolt

Silly old bat
Aug 18, 2009
65,515
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Rich Suvner said:
Spot on. Which is why, despite a successful season overall, people have questioned his approach throughout the year. Many teams simply work us out.
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But only 3 of them did better than us in the final table; Cardiff, Hull & Watford. Strangely, we managed to take points off them by beating them too.
 


bn1&bn3 Albion

bn1&bn3 Albion

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Jan 15, 2011
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Thunder Bolt said:
But only 3 of them did better than us in the final table; Cardiff, Hull & Watford. Strangely, we managed to take points off them by beating them too.
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No one is saying Gus's tactics are bad it's the fact we don't have a backup if things go wrong.. Very rarely have we gone behind and thrown on attacking players to change the game and when we do its too late.. I love the football we play but sometimes it seems Gus thinks playing football "the right way" is more important than getting the win.
 


Thunder Bolt

Thunder Bolt

Silly old bat
Aug 18, 2009
65,515
Beside the seaside, beside the sea
bn1&bn3 Albion said:
No one is saying Gus's tactics are bad it's the fact we don't have a backup if things go wrong.. Very rarely have we gone behind and thrown on attacking players to change the game and when we do its too late.. I love the football we play but sometimes it seems Gus thinks playing football "the right way" is more important than getting the win.
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We lost 9 games all season. I hope we do as well next season.
 








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