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Slightly different approach from CPFC re: play-off ticketing
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TSB
Captain Hindsight
Or lack of pressure put on by Sussex Police, in comparison to the MET?
Dandyman
In London village.
Not a ban but...
A condition of sale is that the ticket may only be used by the purchaser and is not transferable and you may be asked for proof at the ground therefore it is advisable that you take with you either;
a. Your membership Card
b. Season Ticket Card
5) Failure to produce proof that the ticket is yours could result in refusal of entry to the match.
Read more at Ticket News: Away Leg
A condition of sale is that the ticket may only be used by the purchaser and is not transferable and you may be asked for proof at the ground therefore it is advisable that you take with you either;
a. Your membership Card
b. Season Ticket Card
5) Failure to produce proof that the ticket is yours could result in refusal of entry to the match.
Read more at Ticket News: Away Leg
Is that one nil a reference to them having less strict rules?
They're not really in a position to ban fans are they.
Yossarian
3rd Battalion
The Last Word: Orwellian curb on fans Comment - Football - The Independent
You are a law-abiding football supporter. You pay your taxes and adhere to your responsibilities as a good citizen. Your basic rights are challenged without recourse and you are treated with contempt, as a threat to public order.
The next time you attend a high-profile match as an away supporter, be sure to carry proof of your identity. You will be filmed, ostentatiously, by police and subjected to the attention of sniffer dogs. You will be contained and controlled.
Do you, like most right-thinking people, believe these Orwellian aberrations cannot happen in 2013? Do you assume the dogma of demonisation died with Thatcherism and the mayhem of the eighties? Then think again. Consider the indignities the authorities are seeking to impose on fans of Crystal Palace and Brighton when they meet in the Championship play-offs.
The clubs should be ashamed of themselves for their complicity in agreeing to a uniquely draconian set of eight conditions, encouraged by the Metropolitan and Sussex Police. They have succumbed to the restriction of natural freedoms by stealth and have sanctioned an ID system by default.
Anyone wanting to watch the next instalment of what is, despite its suburban connotations, a surprisingly intense derby must be a season-ticket holder. They will be allowed a solitary ticket, which must only be used by the purchaser, whose details and seat number will be passed to the police.
All away fans must carry a separate document which confirms their identity. This, together with the ticket, must be handed over for examination by police or stewards at any time at the ground, and when travelling to and from the game.
Failure to comply will result in refusal of entry to the match and any other matches this season. One-year bans will be imposed on anyone who has sold, or given away, a ticket registered in their name, and on anyone found with someone else's ticket.
Pause for a second and let that sink in. Imagine the outcry if similar restrictions were in place at London's O2 Arena next Saturday, to choose another act of mass entertainment at random. The Garage Nation music event will go on until 4am without the authorities being in Defcon 1 mode.
Yet football grounds are, to use police jargon, "sterile areas". Our national game is a fashionable and profitable target. Cowed by perceptions of vulnerability to a new generation of hooligans, it is further compromised by lack of care and consideration for its natural audience.
Bayern Munich's midweek success invited recycling of a quote from their president, Uli Hoeness: "We do not think fans are like cows who you milk. Football has got to be for everybody. That's the biggest difference between us and England."
Yet Uefa are equally indifferent to the exploitation of Chelsea's fans by the licensed touts of the so-called secondary ticketing industry. Paltry allocations for the Europa League final in Amsterdam have pushed ticket prices as high as £2,400.
Meanwhile, the casual criminalisation of fans gathers momentum. "Kettling" techniques are being used in crowd control. When Brighton fans last visited Selhurst Park, on 1 December, they were kept behind for nearly an hour after the game. Supporters were forbidden from making their own way to local stations and some were prevented from returning to their cars. Crystal Palace fans complained of similar restrictions at Brighton.
"Bubble" matches, in which freedom of movement is suspended and independent travel not allowed, are becoming more prevalent. Over 50 have taken place in the past decade, involving at least 14 clubs. Away fans travel on licensed coaches under police escort. Tickets are often picked up en route, in service stations or industrial estates. The guardians of the game have remained silent. They are, literally, taking a right liberty.
You are a law-abiding football supporter. You pay your taxes and adhere to your responsibilities as a good citizen. Your basic rights are challenged without recourse and you are treated with contempt, as a threat to public order.
The next time you attend a high-profile match as an away supporter, be sure to carry proof of your identity. You will be filmed, ostentatiously, by police and subjected to the attention of sniffer dogs. You will be contained and controlled.
Do you, like most right-thinking people, believe these Orwellian aberrations cannot happen in 2013? Do you assume the dogma of demonisation died with Thatcherism and the mayhem of the eighties? Then think again. Consider the indignities the authorities are seeking to impose on fans of Crystal Palace and Brighton when they meet in the Championship play-offs.
The clubs should be ashamed of themselves for their complicity in agreeing to a uniquely draconian set of eight conditions, encouraged by the Metropolitan and Sussex Police. They have succumbed to the restriction of natural freedoms by stealth and have sanctioned an ID system by default.
Anyone wanting to watch the next instalment of what is, despite its suburban connotations, a surprisingly intense derby must be a season-ticket holder. They will be allowed a solitary ticket, which must only be used by the purchaser, whose details and seat number will be passed to the police.
All away fans must carry a separate document which confirms their identity. This, together with the ticket, must be handed over for examination by police or stewards at any time at the ground, and when travelling to and from the game.
Failure to comply will result in refusal of entry to the match and any other matches this season. One-year bans will be imposed on anyone who has sold, or given away, a ticket registered in their name, and on anyone found with someone else's ticket.
Pause for a second and let that sink in. Imagine the outcry if similar restrictions were in place at London's O2 Arena next Saturday, to choose another act of mass entertainment at random. The Garage Nation music event will go on until 4am without the authorities being in Defcon 1 mode.
Yet football grounds are, to use police jargon, "sterile areas". Our national game is a fashionable and profitable target. Cowed by perceptions of vulnerability to a new generation of hooligans, it is further compromised by lack of care and consideration for its natural audience.
Bayern Munich's midweek success invited recycling of a quote from their president, Uli Hoeness: "We do not think fans are like cows who you milk. Football has got to be for everybody. That's the biggest difference between us and England."
Yet Uefa are equally indifferent to the exploitation of Chelsea's fans by the licensed touts of the so-called secondary ticketing industry. Paltry allocations for the Europa League final in Amsterdam have pushed ticket prices as high as £2,400.
Meanwhile, the casual criminalisation of fans gathers momentum. "Kettling" techniques are being used in crowd control. When Brighton fans last visited Selhurst Park, on 1 December, they were kept behind for nearly an hour after the game. Supporters were forbidden from making their own way to local stations and some were prevented from returning to their cars. Crystal Palace fans complained of similar restrictions at Brighton.
"Bubble" matches, in which freedom of movement is suspended and independent travel not allowed, are becoming more prevalent. Over 50 have taken place in the past decade, involving at least 14 clubs. Away fans travel on licensed coaches under police escort. Tickets are often picked up en route, in service stations or industrial estates. The guardians of the game have remained silent. They are, literally, taking a right liberty.
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beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
- 35,299
im pretty sure these are the normal rules for any all-ticket games, at all clubs. its law that you cant sell on a football ticket. whats happening here is people dont normally bother to check the terms and conditions, but everyones having a little paddy this time because the club asked for ID checks. blame the mugs we have in our support who like to vandalise locals cars (aint palace fans, they dont have that many
)Dandyman
In London village.
im pretty sure these are the normal rules for any all-ticket games, at all clubs. its law that you cant sell on a football ticket. whats happening here is people dont normally bother to check the terms and conditions, but everyones having a little paddy this time because the club asked for ID checks. blame the mugs we have in our support who like to vandalise locals cars (aint palace fans, they dont have that many
To be honest, I thought the OB would try and get the games moved to Thursday and Sunday. A few of us London based Seagulls will no doubt enjoy taking along Council Tax or Utility statements just to confuse the Met.
TSB
Captain Hindsight
Then I stand corrected..and amazed.
BattFink
Active member
Even though the requirements are not too dissimilar, I do feel that CPFC's ticketing has been written in a lot less threatening manner than Brighton's.
Personally I wouldn't have much of a problem with having to show my ST card with the ticket etc... I've always been of the opinion if I "misbehave" at an away game I expect to lose the ability to go to other games
It's all very well saying that the clubs have agreed the terms, but I suspect there would have been a lot of pressure applied from the Metropolitan police & I suppose it's better than the alternative of banning away fans from the game.
We are fans not customers/criminals/animals
Personally I wouldn't have much of a problem with having to show my ST card with the ticket etc... I've always been of the opinion if I "misbehave" at an away game I expect to lose the ability to go to other games
It's all very well saying that the clubs have agreed the terms, but I suspect there would have been a lot of pressure applied from the Metropolitan police & I suppose it's better than the alternative of banning away fans from the game.
We are fans not customers/criminals/animals
rdigs24
Southampton seagull
Think I'll leave it then. The only kettle I'll be involved in is turning it on for my half time cuppa
bn1&bn3 Albion
Well-known member
Corrected
Lush
Mods' Pet
Based on no evidence at all apart from a gut feeling, it seems to me that there are certain Brighton 'faces' who only really turn up for Palace away and presumably get their tickets through other family members/friends.
If this means that these idiots are either put off going, or can get stopped before they get anywhere near Selhurst, then I'm all for it.
If this means that these idiots are either put off going, or can get stopped before they get anywhere near Selhurst, then I'm all for it.
Cowfold Seagull
Fan of the 17 bus
Sorry I find this very difficult to understand. Do you honestly believe that the Club would employ stewards or whoever to check away fans credentials on entering the ground?. Two main problems could emanate from this. a) ... it would slow everything down and long queues would form, and b) ... increase the potential for trouble. I imagine that the Club have put this statement out, hoping it will be a deterrent in itself, without actually having to go through with it.
Cowfold Seagull
Fan of the 17 bus
I didn't say that it was. Hooliganism has many different forms and can happen anywhere. But in the pressure cauldron that will be Selhurst Park next Friday night, the slightest excuse could set things off. Just the slightest spark would do it.
HawkTheSeagull
New member
The police are saying the clubs decided on the ID rule because technically they did. The police (mainly the Met) gave the clubs options and the ID was the softest option given to the clubs so thats what they decided on.
Its a bit like going into a restaurant and being told you can have ANYTHING on the menu, but you can only pick 1 of Salmon, Blue Cheese and Prawns - 3 things which arent very good but you have to pick the best option given. Also means the police can attempt to distance themselves from it, yet its them who have the choices.
Its a bit like going into a restaurant and being told you can have ANYTHING on the menu, but you can only pick 1 of Salmon, Blue Cheese and Prawns - 3 things which arent very good but you have to pick the best option given. Also means the police can attempt to distance themselves from it, yet its them who have the choices.
Indeed you didn't. I was replying to Lush, but failed to quote. Will they ensure people are in the correct seat? I assume not. Surely that makes identification in case of any such incidents almost impossible. Assuming people stay in their designated seats during any such trouble, that is.
Mellor 3 Ward 4
Well-known member
The way that The Albion worded the criteria for purchasing tickets/identity etc was worded in a very heavy handed way.
Palace's is a lot less threatening, yet basically says much the same.
They of course had the advantage of wording theirs after the reaction, by both sets of fans, had been gauged.
Palace's is a lot less threatening, yet basically says much the same.
They of course had the advantage of wording theirs after the reaction, by both sets of fans, had been gauged.