I only wish that the report on Brighton fans had been their April Fool's spoof. Soft, southern, nancy boys has never been so apt.
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Tyrone Biggums
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Makes Brighton out to be a progressive club imo.
There's more $ in sponsorship to be made from being perceived as that than being the typical brain dead moronic fanset of so many other clubs.
There's more $ in sponsorship to be made from being perceived as that than being the typical brain dead moronic fanset of so many other clubs.
severnside gull
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"1-0 to the batty boys" is my favourite football chant 
Fair enough, but I think the opposite. I think it marks us out as being regressive and Victorian where the parameters of what is deemed 'acceptable behaviour' are very narrow. And I'm not just talking about football here, I think there is a whole wider argument of what constitutes 'free speech' in the 21st century. (Probably the wrong place for this and I haven't got the time to expound further).
Tyrone Biggums
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Marks us out as regressive to who though?
Definitely no businesses looking to invest or be associated with a product.
The idea of freedom of speech is a myth anyway. You can say what you like in the privacy of your own home. However you don't have such rights in public.
After all, it is 2013. If someones so brain dead they need to use gay as insult then society really will be better off if these people never breed.
The whole "it's just banter" line is the stupidest excuse I've ever heard to justify being a complete moron.
Yes. I think that neatly sums up the intolerant attitude I was complaining about, with a nice dash of eugenics thrown in as well!
Sergei's Celebration
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Rather be tolerant of racist, sexist or homophobic abuse would you?
Indeed, a bit of banter is okay but people seem to be able to get away with really horrible abuse by acting as if it is good natured. Despicable
You see this is the problem. Today people seem only to be capable of acceptable/unacceptable, yes/no binary positions and every argument immediately gets reduced to its polar opposites. If I'm in favour of tolerance I must automatically be tolerant of all abuse, is that what you're saying?
Sergei's Celebration
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Yes; you are either tolerant or intolerant. You cant be semi-tolerant or partly intolerant. It is a binary position. So if you are not intolerant of homophobic abuse you must therefore be tolerant of it shirely.
No, sorry, I fundamentally disagree, I think that's exactly what you can be. Between mainstream 'acceptable' and 'unacceptable' there are vast shades of grey, and that's before you've even considered factors such as nuance, context, intent and subjective interpretation. With regards to this particular issue no one really agrees on what IS 'homophobic chanting' for a start, indeed one could make a case that a group of (largely) heterosexual men chanting about sexual practices to another group of (largely) heterosexual men isn't homophobic at all. Boorish and unpleasant yes, but not illegal and not something that could or should be 'banned'.
ChilternGull
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Those that started the anti racist chanting campaign were dismissed when they started but look how that turned out. Homophobic chanting has no place in a tolerant, modern society and to justify it on grounds of "free speech" would have been an argument Hitler would have been proud of. If collectively we do not protect the rights of minorities one day we will all lose all our rights. We should never tolerate the majority being able to abuse those in the minority unable to defend themselves.
Kumquat
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To be fair if you're only tolerant to abuse shirely then you are semi-tolerant. I find it unfair to be intolerant outside the shires but not within.
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Now on BBC Southeast! :banghead: