Had we signed Ulloa in the summer

BensGrandad · Mar 31, 2013

Sorry cant do a poll bt what position in the league do people think we would have been had we isgned Leo in the summer and had him for the season.

I think top above CARDIFF definitely.

Ulloa · Mar 31, 2013

BensGrandad said:
Sorry cant do a poll bt what position in the league do people think we would have been had we isgned Leo in the summer and had him for the season.

I think top above CARDIFF definitely.

Have to agree. We'd be top without a doubt. Scary thing is he's just finding his feet but look at him, he's got the wow factor about him. Next season then he'll be a joy to watch!

Bladders · Mar 31, 2013

Would have done his cruciate away at Hull and been out the whole season :moo:

Tom Hark Preston Park · Mar 31, 2013

More to the point: Pretty telling that the manager's best decisions are forced upon him against his better nature like a) treating the Palace game seriously b) treating the FA Cup seriously c) playing two wingers and a big man up front.

OK, the manager signed that big man up front, and full credit for that, but any other manager would have signed similar and made more use of both mercurial wingers who are the best in the division instead of giving them walk-on parts on 70 minutes.

Ulloa · Mar 31, 2013

Tom Hark said:
More to the point: Pretty telling that the manager's best decisions are forced upon him against his better nature like a) treating the Palace game seriously b) treating the FA Cup seriously c) playing two wingers and a big man up front.

OK, the manager signed that big man up front, and full credit for that, but any other manager would have signed similar and made more use of both mercurial wingers who are the best in the division instead of giving them walk-on parts on 70 minutes.

Have said we should always start with wingers and like you say instead of bit time performances. Just imagine if we still had Noone to replace Buckley or Lua Lua. Frightening.

Muhammed - I’m hard - Bruce Lee · Mar 31, 2013

We wouldn't be too far from the top this season anyway, if it wasn't for last minute goals conceded and missed penalties

Birdie Boy · Mar 31, 2013

Tom Hark said:
More to the point: Pretty telling that the manager's best decisions are forced upon him against his better nature like a) treating the Palace game seriously b) treating the FA Cup seriously c) playing two wingers and a big man up front.

OK, the manager signed that big man up front, and full credit for that, but any other manager would have signed similar and made more use of both mercurial wingers who are the best in the division instead of giving them walk-on parts on 70 minutes.

Bollox, Poyet quite clearly said he tried to get Ulloa in the Summer, citizen issues stopped it. He has been waiting for this one and so far proved right. Only thing forced on him was two wingers against Palace.

Triggaaar · Mar 31, 2013

So you think his best decisions have been

Tom Hark said:
a) treating the Palace game seriously

He treats every game league seriously.

b) treating the FA Cup seriously

Good for money, but distracting and an injury risk when we're pushing for promotion, not sure it's worth it to be honest.

c) playing two wingers and a big man up front.

We play and win a game with two wingers and you all tut like you knew it was that easy all along. We played two wingers against Forest and it didn't work. As soon as Gus took Kaz off (who was playing well) we started competing for the ball in midfield and we were suddenly the better side. Two wingers has it's place, but not for every game.

Diego Napier · Mar 31, 2013

Tom Hark said:
More to the point: Pretty telling that the manager's best decisions are forced upon him against his better nature like a) treating the Palace game seriously b) treating the FA Cup seriously c) playing two wingers and a big man up front.

OK, the manager signed that big man up front, and full credit for that, but any other manager would have signed similar and made more use of both mercurial wingers who are the best in the division instead of giving them walk-on parts on 70 minutes.

Let's get a bit of perspective eh?

Poyet was always going to take Palace seriously, you're crackers if you think anything else. He wanted to sign Ulloa in the closed season not in the transfer window. He took LuaLua off and replaced him with Hammond after the first half when Forest bossed it and Kaz had almost done an Ashley Barnes and then we almost won it without 2 wingers.

If you think playing 2 wingers and a target man is suitable against every team we play then you're living in Cloud football manager cuckoo land.

Tom Hark Preston Park · Mar 31, 2013

Triggaaar said:
We play and win a game with two wingers and you all tut like you knew it was that easy all along. We played two wingers against Forest and it didn't work. As soon as Gus took Kaz off (who was playing well) we started competing for the ball in midfield and we were suddenly the better side. Two wingers has it's place, but not for every game.

We have the two of the most devastatingly effective wingers in the division. Until the situation was forced upon the manager, they were chronically underused. IMHO, like.

GingerBeerMan · Mar 31, 2013

Competing with Hull for second place. Before we signed him a lot of Spanish journalists said they were surprised he wasn't going to a lower premier league club and I can see why.

Ulloa · Mar 31, 2013

Muhammed 'im hard' Bruce Lee said:
We wouldn't be too far from the top this season anyway, if it wasn't for last minute goals conceded and missed penalties

Wouldn't have mattered if we had Ulloa from the start as we'd have won.

GingerBeerMan · Mar 31, 2013

Tom Hark said:
We have the two of the most devastatingly effective wingers in the division. Until the situation was forced upon the manager, they were chronically underused. IMHO, like.

I agree but two wingers with the target man being CMS or Barnes really wouldn't work. Now we have Ulloa who can score headers KLL and Buckley are a lot more effective, and don't forget Orlandi who likes to drift wide and get crosses in too. If we can keep this team next season I think we have a real shot of auto's or at least play offs.

glasfryn · Mar 31, 2013

6 points above Bardiff

seagullsovergrimsby · Mar 31, 2013

In the top 2 , I think signing Ulloa in the summer would have seen CMS sold and investment in another striker from the transfer fee.

Ulloa · Mar 31, 2013

Triggaaar said:
Two wingers has it's place, but not for every game.

Home games a massive yes but away from home then a more cautious approach is needed.

Tom Hark Preston Park · Mar 31, 2013

GingerBeerMan said:
I agree but two wingers with the target man being CMS or Barnes really wouldn't work.

It would have worked with Barnes. He positions himself where a proper striker should position himself. CMS just has Tourettes Of The Legs, could be absolutely anywhere on the pitch at any given moment :shrug:

Farehamseagull · Mar 31, 2013

Top 2. He is too good for this league.

Napper · Mar 31, 2013

Would be top 2 as he would have 20 + goals

Regarding 2 wingers , didn't work yesterday. Think at home is better for this formation

Triggaaar · Mar 31, 2013

Tom Hark said:
any other manager would have signed similar and made more use of both mercurial wingers who are the best in the division

Tom Hark said:
We have the two of the most devastatingly effective wingers in the division.

Buckley is excellent, and Kaz has his moments (he's been more fired up in the last two games than he was for a while - he may have been effected by his court case), but there are other decent wingers in the division too, ours are not the top two.

Until the situation was forced upon the manager, they were chronically underused. IMHO, like.

Underused, perhaps, that's up for debate, but some of ours NSC fans think we should start every game with two wingers, and it's just not as simple as that. I think it's worth taking the game to Palace as they're so poor in defence, but even in our 3-0 win we didn't boss the first 40 minutes, and yesterday it didn't work at all.

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