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Neither would, even if I had said that. Which I didn’t, you’re just another bi polar binary example who can’t distinguish anything between boo hiss and roseytint. Anyway, I’m done with. Let’s hope we climb the table, which has been our 119 year long term plan however it’s achieved (but...

A difference of opinion and it’s all widening the scope, wild assumptions and even suggesting I support a different club. Come on, we’re better than that! Anyway, I’m a lifer, from an ever diminishing band who never turned their back on the club even during its darkest days. Take care as you say...

Football can change in a heart beat and leaves so called long term plans in tatters. And I was only commenting on football managers, not everything else you’ve brought into the equation.

Football started in 1993, Grandpa. Who are these people you speak of? :kiss:

If Potterball doesn’t amass the points needed to keep us up, or move us sufficiently up the table, is that still deemed a long term success? Especially if Palace were to stay up and/or finish above us? The long term is infinite. Over rated. And a destination rarely arrived at. Football is all...

Yes, I agree. However my point was that football mgt is almost exclusively short term, as proven even at our #together club e.g. 6 managers in the Amex era. It’s not criticism. It’s just a fact. And that’s mistake number two I.e. thinking change only happens because of poor performance. Nope...

What makes you say Palace only look at the short term? 8 consecutive seasons in the PL for a club of their stature is success. You’d do well not to be so dismissive of such an achievement. It’s equal to our cumulative achievement in 119 years. Anyway, the long term has never existed in football...

And in that time we’ve had 6 managers. But I’m not criticising TB, you seem to have gone off on one on your own there. Football management is a short term occupation. If you’re arguing it’s not, I beg to differ.

Trouble is, one bad season is all it takes. I’m slightly mystified by all this talk of project building, slowly, gently, small increments at a time etc that many fans think we’ve got the luxury of time for! Football is utterly ruthless and especially at this level I.e. if GP is afforded such...

Come off it, certain posters argue black is white and blue is red every time someone posts anything even remotely critical after a defeat. The rose tinted losers. But **** em, they’re entitled to their bigoted opinions, they’re only denying themselves and it’s a joy to watch them be buried by...

Well said. Too many precious posters on here to admit we’ve a lot of work to do. Equally, saying we’re down after 4 matches is a tad premature, although our current position has an air of familiarity about it, there’s no denying that unless you really are a rose tinted bigot.

I think he can be forgiven for feeling that way. And in fairness, a side from Man U who I’m sure won’t be there or even there about come the end of the season, tonight the bottom 6 has a predictable familiar feel about it already. So maybe not so “stupid” as you put it (I’d use upset...

What an idiotic, emotional temper tantrum. Borderline Sexist and racist too. Nice one,

Over many years, lots of clubs have over achieved as you’d put it. Don’t be so pessimistic!

Whose “flaming the shit out of every player, the staff etc”?! Such a drama queen. Although, I did call out Locadia early on and several posters made themselves look eternally stupid for arguing otherwise in the face of mounting evidence. Personal pride can bury the best of men I suppose.

Speak for yourself. I want a top half PL side. More importantly, so does Tony!:albion2: If only a sizeable proportion of our support also stopped being so pathetically accepting of results in a good number of fixtures. Grew some balls. Believe instead of hope. And stopped blaming VAR and...

Why not use real stats though? 20 games. Zero points. Scores of excuses mind, from the seemingly inexhaustible list of losers repeating the same old same old, season after season...Can’t see how we can step up a level when the rose tinted losers brigade always condone, excuse and even celebrate...

Look, I don't know who you are. I don't know what you want. If you are looking for an argument, I can tell you I don't have time. But what I do have are a very particular set of skills; skills I have acquired over a very long career. Skills that make me a nightmare for people like you. If you...

Another intelligent contribution to the debate. Your reasoning skills are trump like.

Yep, because you are unable to distinguish and quick to draw. I’m irritated. Not by our away results but the constant excusing and bleating by likes of you in the face of overwhelming evidence. A losers mentality in other words. Can’t see how we can move forward as a club with so many fans like...