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    [Politics] have the right amount of kids you can afford, or should the govt stump up costs?

    Agreed, I didn't say it wasn't, but I don't see how the current economical model is sustainable. Portlock Seagull nailed it with the quote "The fact is every country is facing unprecedented stresses - unique in history - that are placing intolerable strains on it whichever economic country you...
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    [Politics] have the right amount of kids you can afford, or should the govt stump up costs?

    Maybe the answer is to change the model, move more towards a China model where you don't have a right to any more than one child. Despite what everyone says on this about subsidising couples to enable them back into work, it's still fundamentally about whether you can "afford" children or not...
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    [Politics] have the right amount of kids you can afford, or should the govt stump up costs?

    It’s the childcare costs here that are the issue from the original article. If you can’t afford the childcare costs then how about waiting around five years before the 2nd child so that childcare costs become more easily affordable? Again it’s about compromise, rather than “the government...
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    [Politics] have the right amount of kids you can afford, or should the govt stump up costs?

    Taking the economical stance away from it. I think your looking at this in the wrong way. If a couple have a child and they cannot between them afford childcare when the mothers maternity leave ends, why should anyone subsidise that couple so they can afford for the mum (or dad) to return to...
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    [Politics] have the right amount of kids you can afford, or should the govt stump up costs?

    Fair point, but the quote from TUC; "Parents need subsidised, affordable childcare from as soon as maternity leave finishes to enable them to continue working, and so mums don't continue to have to make that choice between having a family and a career." This is just daft. Why should the...
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    [Politics] have the right amount of kids you can afford, or should the govt stump up costs?

    I dont disagree, but some of the individuals interviewed in the article are stating that they have had to give up work, because they can't "afford" the childcare costs whilst being employed, and they're moaning about it. If they have 3 kids, and the two individuals interviewed do, then maybe...
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    [Politics] have the right amount of kids you can afford, or should the govt stump up costs?

    It took two of us working full time to buy a house, and we weren't certainly unskilled. We could also only afford a mortgage for tiny 2 bed maisonette based on my salary because my wife (due to certain circumstances) couldn't get a mortgage.
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    [Politics] have the right amount of kids you can afford, or should the govt stump up costs?

    It is a difficult one, but one could also suggest that the areas of low income, and low unemployment are the very areas where larger sized families are more prevalent. This of course is a rather large sweeping assumption, and one that I am certainly not stating as fact.
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    [Politics] have the right amount of kids you can afford, or should the govt stump up costs?

    I don;t believe so at all - my 9 yo is an only child and has a large circle of friends and family. He's equally good at playing on his own (excellent imagination) as he is with others. And the bonus is he doesn't have a ****ing annoying sibling to put up with (as I did).
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    [Politics] have the right amount of kids you can afford, or should the govt stump up costs?

    What changed was the fact that we're living longer, and statutory pensions no longer cover the amount of people who are living beyond 60. Thats why I'm going to have to work for 44 years to get my pension, whilst my dad (75) only needed to work 37. I wonder here who's got the better of it...
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    [Politics] have the right amount of kids you can afford, or should the govt stump up costs?

    I don't think we've regressed at all. Childcare has always been about ecomonics. The standard of living has gone up, but so has the cost. In terms of having a stay at home parent, you're again comparing the 50's-70's to 2017?!? You have seen the changes since then?
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    [Politics] have the right amount of kids you can afford, or should the govt stump up costs?

    And this is the crux of the matter. There is a generation now who are what I would call the "entitled". Where there is a hard self-belief that they are entitled to do what they want without considering their "means", and then when they don't get it, or find out that they can't afford it, then...
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    [Politics] have the right amount of kids you can afford, or should the govt stump up costs?

    the first two mum's interviewed have 3 kids........
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    [Politics] have the right amount of kids you can afford, or should the govt stump up costs?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41690221 demand is outstripping supply. over to NSC for the binfest
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