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True, they are awful but awful commentary is so usual nowadays it passes me by. Them whinging that the foreigners are: going to ground easily, surrounding the referee, waving imaginary cards while ignoring what 'our foreigners' (and Rooney) are doing exactly the same thing just drives me crazy...

I find ITV insanely pro-English club commentary grating

Probably apocryhal (sp) It has been reported that the England manager Alf Ramsey told Rodney Marsh "I'll be watching you for the first 45 minutes and if you don't work harder I'll pull you off at half time," to which Marsh replied: "Crikey, Alf, at Manchester City all we get is an orange and a...

That Joey Barton talks sense