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Oh they did bugger off in the 70s. Of course nobody knows for sure, and recent surveys of the super rich may just be tinged with politically expedient responses.... but the top 1% do indisputably pay a third of the income tax take.... just an observation in context with the topics discussed above.

Sadly, when the exchequer squeezed industry and high earners in the early to mid 70s, they just moved elsewhere, it was one of the defining moments for our post war economy and our economic standing alongside our traditional and newly emerging competitors..... apart from a brief upward trend...

A key metric that has always stuck with me ref the Brexit vote... if I remember my stats.... only about a quarter of 18-24 year olds bothered to vote at all...... the draw of a late night on cheap booze drove far too many lie ins it seemed.... so much for the so called politically aware...

That's why I said it was a hybrid system..... at least that was my understanding.... in cases I have seen, you pay up front, then claim back the cost, minus excess, from your insurance provider. As you say HT will explain.

How does it work then?... my info on that was from my uncle, a former squaddie of the 70s, now an assimilated German.... possible I guess that I misinterpreted what he said on my last visit to Bielefeld.

If you are young and relatively fit, your health premiums in Germany are cheap,... any history of ill health, your premiums rocket,... by customer driven, you mean private.

Have a little read of my post again... the word 'far' features..... your refinement adding 'UK' helps you not at all when the broader political perspective being discussed is not centre left... it's the more extreme ideology seen with modern day student type activist groups who influence much...

Where is that provided? even your much lauded nation of Germany has a two tier hybrid health system... as does France..... most of the national health and education systems around Europe are underpinned by PFI type partnership.... I certainly get the case for nationalised transport systems...

I'd be interested to read your examples.... in my view, only France has a smidgen of socialism/collectivism, and that at a local level only... it is a mixed economy to some extent, but capitalism underpins it all. My examples are the entire eastern bloc, many post colonial African and Asian...

Sadly, those younger generations are in general leaning more to the left,... I put that almost entirely down to the fact that they haven't, as adults at least, lived through the cold war era, seen the brutal realities of socialist/communist regimes,... seen the reality of what the proper cancel...

A theory not unlike a successful and equitable socialist governed country.... a flawed figment of a cheap cider addled student union activist's fevered imagination.

Taking erstwhile Labour voters with him, I am guessing not a landslide of numbers, but probably a comparable number to those leaving the Conservative party for Reform etc.