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My lad has refereed a couple of Saints youth matches in the past, featuring Pochetino's (then) 13 year old son. He was very obviously afforded the opportunity on grounds beyond pure merit, shall we say. He's still now, turning out for Spurs' U18 side, and featured in the historic first ever...

Hang on. If you want a discussion about driving standards, I'm all for it. There have been many, many on here in the past, and shall be in the future. On speeding (generally off the back of somebody crying over a deserved ticket), on mobile phone use (generally universally condemned), on how to...

1. The poster above was suggesting that cyclists' behaviour is a regular topic of discussion. I simply pointed out that it is - generally in threads like this one, started BY cyclists with the sole intention of having a dig at some supposed imbalance in attitudes. 2. The actual story wasn't...

Cyclists are discussed a bit on here - almost always in threads like this very one, started BY paranoid cyclists having a pop at their imaginary demonisation.

But people discuss shit drivers / driving ALL the time! :shrug:

Sorry - I understand all of that (as stated, I'm a cyclist as well as a motorist), but your reflex defense mechanisms are still ridiculous. Some cyclists really are shit / dangerous / inconsiderate. Railing against that simple statement of fact, is still weird. We all know and accept that...

:rolleyes: No, that's not what I said at all. You suggested there would be no overtaking except of 'slow moving traffic', which you pegged as anything 'below 20mph'. I was just pointing out that there are lots of urban roads where 'below 20mph' is the safe limit. 'Proper' cyclists really are a...

For sure. Most of the 'relaxed' approach to rules is from the 'bloke (or kid) on a bike' rather than the serious cyclist. Was just a single example that's all. It is the latter who seem to like to flip between being considered a road user and a pedestrian, as and when it suits - which is...

There are a load of roads around here where 20 mph is the limit

Indeed. Except I'm not referring to 'filtering'. I'm referring to lycra-clad morons hurtling along at their own pace, and over(under) taking steady urban traffic (not queues, etc)

What is your point? :shrug: Is there anyone here pretending that bad drivers don't break rules?

Indeed. I'm not anti-cyclist (I AM a cyclist, as well as a motorist) but for our resident lycra-clad cheerleader to pretend that this 5% figure is remotely relevant here, is nonsense. Even quite reasonable cyclists tend to have a fairly relaxed approach to rules - whether that be mounting the...