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Well, at least they both agree that he's signed until he's 24.

For sure. One a year is a bold aim, but realistic. We are a fair way from reaching that situation. But that isn't cause to belittle or ignore those that HAVE come through, even if in Forster-Caskey's case, the club's own progression eventually left him behind.

In a discussion about, you 'Still waiting' for the Albion academy to 'produce a first team player'? No it doesn't. They did. He was.

Then your case is a shit one. Like him or not (and you clearly don't) the lad came through the Albion's set up and became an Albion first team player. Not for a couple of games in League One, but for 60+, in the Championship, playing week in week out against very good players. No discussion...

Its early days, and will take a few more years to bear consistent fruit, but that's no reason to ignore the ones who HAVE come through. To 'not count' Forster-Caskey, btw is just pathetic. The lad played 60+ first team games for the Albion at Championship level.

It is the stated aim of the Bayern Academy system. (In fact I think they aim for TWO first teamers per season, which seems unrealistic).

Forster-Caskey, Dunk, March, Walton don't count then?

For the Academy model to work, it has to fund itself. That means not only producing a first team player per season, but also a couple not good enough for us, but good enough to sell on.