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Hahahahahahahahahahaha They either had no interest in football at all, or just no interest in discussing it with you! Vicente played 40 times for Spain, and over 300 times in the most successful period in Valencia's history, winning the league twice and the UEFA Cup (he scored in the final...

This - excellent rationale. Anyone who wishes to omit the legend of VICENTE from this discussion surely misses the point altogether? He's VICENTE ffs, and he played for BRIGHTON.