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It could be argued the club didn't do anything wrong but that doesn't mean things can't be improved. Also, you read the email, whereas when the complainant received an email he didn't.

Really weird comment. The rules were broken, deliberately, so a punishment has been administered as per those rules. Where is the error of judgement?

It wouldn't help their case if they can't prove that the father didn't go to the games.

Then where is the deterrent? If you know all that will happen is that you'll lose the loyalty points for that match then to some that would be a risk worth taking as not many get their IDs checked at away grounds. I've missed Everton and Brentford away this season. We were selected to collect...

Tend to agree but the fact remains the son was willing to take the punishment but the father decided he would take the sanction and then has complained about it. The fact that he would gain LPs for this incident probably opened the door for him to be considered for the sanction although the...

The supporter was not wholly the victim as if the id check hadn't been made then he would have benefited from the LPs. I do however think the sanction should have been made against the son and the mistake was to give the supporter the choice. There seems to have been a lot of garbage in the...

Sorry but I don't agree. The club may well know that the 17 year old had bought tickets before in his father's name but unless they have reasonable grounds to suspect the father didn't go to those games then it would serve no purpose to introduce that as 'speculative' evidence.

Playing devil's advocate here, has there been any suggestion that this wasn't the first time that the son had purchased away tickets in his dad's name using friends and family? The club would obviously have such info but equally would not be able to prove the father hadn't gone to any of those...

Perhaps that is an issue the FAB should be discussing with the club, ie to see if the T & Cs for 1901 will be changed when their tickets next come up for renewal (which I think is every 5 years).

True but I believe you are responsible for the behaviour of your guests so if you sold for away fans or complete strangers and they caused trouble then I assume there would be repercussions. You're right, it was my comparison. The point I was trying to make, albeit badly, was about planning...

Sorry, I should have been clearer, I was referring to your comment suggesting it's your season ticket and you can do with it what you will.

I really don't believe more have stopped going than those breaking the rules. As for buying in advance, it's normally about 4 weeks depending on the will of the tv companies! I'm guessing people would buy theatre tickets or gig tickets further in advance than that.

You will still get people on the day of the game stating they now can't go and with paper tickets, as someone previously mentioned, it would be almost impossible to resell that ticket. Once digital tickets are the norm then it will become far easier.

And therein lies your problem. The season ticket is a contract and is subject to terms and conditions. You might pass it on to a friend or you might tout it to the highest bidder and the club have no control over who is entering their ground, whether it be an away fan or even a banned fan.

Still needs the recipient to read the email!!!

Because that solution means the girlfriend who didn't have enough LP jumped the queue. That is what the system is trying to prevent and quite rightly.

Sorry, but I disagree. For the vast majority of fans there aren't really any issues so your assertion that the club make it difficult for paying fans is an exaggeration. That doesn't mean you haven't had problems but you can't suggest that applies to everyone else.

Reasonably certain that the insurance companies agree to abide by the decision although that obligation would not apply to yourself. You could still take it to court.

He chose to take the punishment rather than his son. That was his choice. You could argue that, once the club knew who had breached the rules then they should have just punished the son with the father being given the choice.

Not entirely sure that's accurate. Didn't the son purchase through his own account using friends and family?