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That is a preposterous suggestion. Nobody is going to believe that someone in government would sink to those levels to achieve their political goals? https://whatwouldvirchowdo.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/direct_democracy___an_agenda_for_a_new_model_party.pdf...

Please don't rise to it. I fell for it and it's just an attempt to turn this into another Brexit thread which it seems CL is banned from posting on.

Just to clarify, are you arguing for a state owned NHS or a private system?

Really!!! Regarding TTIP, your post was trying to suggest it was a foregone conclusion that the NHS would go when the deal went through which was far from the truth! Any trade deal is signed off by the member states, not the commission. The commissioners are not elected but they are...

Fair enough. Had a quick look and would agree that is something that out of hours service could provide. Nothing wrong with using modern technology. Who knows, even local GPs could use during surgery hours anyway.

We had this, it was called NHS direct. You could go online and list your symptoms and also ring. The current government closed it down and replaced it with 111 telephone service

The TTIP negotiations were to allow governments to still make decisions about how they run their services so you are just scaremongering. The NHS was to all intents and purposes protected. It would only be at risk if the government of the day wanted to allow US firms in. As it turned out...

It does work it's just some with a political agenda want to paint a picture that it isn't working. It's under extreme stress but it is working and compares favourably with other country's systems.

What exactly is your understanding of general nursing and why do you think this isn't being done by nurses?

Maybe you're right but we only have the headlines over the last week to show that the private sector isn't great at looking after public money!!!

:facepalm: You can lead a horse etc etc.

But that is for outside management consultants that are brought in to do a specific task then leave. Same as if you bring in IT consultants for a new system. You want their expertise then that's what you have to pay!

Isn't this an oxymoron? You don't want to pay the going rate for healthcare so the government consistently give a budget where they can never achieve what they need. Then people suggest giving them more money and are accused of throwing money at a bottomless pitt. The solution, throw money at...

Apologies, as we were talking about the NHS I assumed Nomad was on about clinical consultants. In the case you refer to I'm assuming he was on a contract rather than direct employee. As with any contractors, you have to pay the going rate. The problem with the RSCH is that it is running at a...

Wouldn't disagree with that although the caveat would be that the incumbent government have to pay what is requested.

Because you posted saying you felt only one in five employees were clinical which was clearly wrong. By all means take the view that we should have a private healthcare system but at least argue it based on facts. Firstly, I'd be surprised if consultants are discussing their pay!! However...

It would appear ignorance is behind your comments. 50.6 per cent of NHS employees are professionally qualified clinical staff. A further 26.0 per cent provide support to clinical staff in roles such as nursing assistant practitioners, nursing assistant/auxiliaries and healthcare assistants...

Because 30 years ago they were starved of investment in both rolling stock and infrastructure; and had been for decades. Much like what the Tory government is doing to the NHS. They came in in 2010 on a manifesto of no top down reorganisation of the NHS then that is exactly what they did...

But he's right. The options on the poll show exactly what you think. Who are these trustworthy business men you talk off? The bankers? Former bosses of Carillion? Richard Branson?