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The people of Kiev are not the Ukraine.... The people living outside of the Ukraine in western Europe will obviously support a move to the west, and stop pretending to yourself, all of the Ukraine wants to be western, as they clearly dont.

Thread is interesting in so much as the people on NSC most vociferous about the UK not being in the EU, and some even citiing countries like the UKraine joining being a disaster...want Ukraine in the EU.

Hopefully, its just all talk...and people step back a bit... Apart from anything else, my mother is now worried about where I live, and driving me nuts despite explaining just how far away all this is.. Most of the clients at our club, if not all, are pro west....not heard any other views..but...

Nope..i responded to your post, as you were clearly referring to Afghanistan. Anyway..back to the Ukraine... :smile:

He was elected with votes from many Ukrainians as well.....Neither you or I can speak about their reasons, or where they would feel more comfortable. Many Ukrainians, mostly the older, are more comfortable with the Russian system, as thats what they have known most of their lives. Democracy, as...

Removed with legitimate political protest?? Democracy seems to have changed. When was that meeting? There were clearly para militaries on both sides...its about Ukraine, and not Kiev...large swathes of the Ukraine want nothing to do with the west. as from anti west rhetoric...im very proud to...

Its because of your 'anti west rhetoric' Czechmate.

A democratically elected government in the Ukraine, has just been removed using violence. Explain democracy for me again? Anti west rhetoric? lol... a little theatrical. as for 'keepiing with the program'....I was RESPONDING to?? 'Ok, so Ukraine is hosting training camps for international...

After years of being proud of the thin red line at Balaclava, and the charge of the Light Brigade, ive recently seen my great, great grandfathers military papers... Seems he left the Russian army just after the Crimean war haha He came from Odessa, which was Russian, and not the Ukraine at the...

Wondered where I was? Ridiculous comment if you only check back one or two pages. Im sorry, but we WENT TO WAR and occupied Afghanistan way before any attack on Britain, and the 7/7 attack was specificilly about the war in Irag. Let me put it another way, apart from being Americas lapdog, and...

And what do the things listed, give the United Kingdom the right to occupy Afghanistan?

Russia will always need a strong president...that scares some people. There was outside influence in the uprising, in the Ukraine, with more than one verified report of people being PAID by western agencies. At least half of the Ukraine wants feck all to do with us...but people seem to think...

The Russians couldnt give a shit what people think... Whole bunch of MI28s in broad daylight at low level was designed to show that.

Not sure about any comparison with Syria tbh

Yep, the ethnic Russian majority are saying feck off Ukraine, who they still consider collaboraters, and the uprising in Ukraine as fascist inspired and led.

That exercise could be to comfort to the other half of the Ukraine population that prefer the links to Russia..depends how you look at it I think.....from our point off view, or people in the Ukraine who prefer links to Russias point of view..other than the Crimea separatiing, and some sabre...

You would think they would be used to being occupied by now then ;-) In seriousness though, I would imagine the Crimea will seperate...and the Ukraine will convulse with some internal power struggles for a while, then hopefully settle down, and will then prob join EU in the future.

When I was in the RN, we slipped into the Black sea to check the Black Sea fleets reaction times etc...When I came on watch on the bridge (I was a signalman), we were pretty much surrounded by a Soviet task group headed by a big feck-off WW2 Sverdlov Cruiser...They messaged us by light, asking...

Isnt the Crimea predominantly ethnic Russians, and Russian speaking, who want to stay with Russia? Plus the Russian black sea fleet is still based there.

A synagogue has already been attacked... neo fascists have been prominent at the protests Hope when it all settles down, they get the govt they deserve