Klopp didn't rate him then I guess. Surely a better player than Henderson though, how such a bang average player has got so many caps is beyond me. Carlton Palmer territory
I agree, depressing to lump England in considering, technically our players are a better standard, and play at a higher level than many from Wales and Eire. Just seems when they put on the England shirt it's like they seem to lose some belief in their own ability and forget what they are...
Ramsey is decent, but Allen wasn't good enough for Liverpool. Robson-Kanu, Vokes, Gunter, Williams, Chester etc, hardly technically superior to the Irish. Both of them very workmanlike sides, excluding Bale. Mind you, saying that, so are England these days.