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see here is maybe the problem that we dont acknowledge the definition of "private". i've been pulled up myself for overstating the meaning. it simply mean its in non-public ownership and control. so those not-for-profit insurers are private sector, just the same as likes of BUPA and Nuffield...

Germany? are you confusing state run with private ownership. as i understand it Germany and many others have large parts of their healthcare owned by private groups, not the state.

quasi-political rhetoric thats just part of the problem.

like the Europeans seem to pay for their healthcare. mandatory insurance for basic, additional for additional and elective services. iirc France for example charge for fees for bed and food, fees for GP visits. we have broken the NHS ourselfs by insistence it's kept as originally planned...