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  1. beorhthelm

    Issues relating to the EU referendum

    which do not include being neutral or "independent" in a political matter. one expects them to base views on research, and back research with empirical data, but we know full well in the area of social sciences such data can be biased from how the data is collected. as the saying goes, ask 10...
  2. beorhthelm

    Issues relating to the EU referendum

    right, so upon a vote to leave we invoke article 50 of Lisbon and if the EU come back with a shed load of concessions, treaty change, roll back of power transitions back to Maastricht, the PM will simply say "no, we're done". why is it that the In camp cant accept that in the process of...
  3. beorhthelm

    Issues relating to the EU referendum

    with respect to the Guardian, they are promoting only an opinion and one that suits them. they cannot say there would not be another proposed agreement, treaty, whatever, no one can. what we can say is that its possible, there is nothing to prevent that occurring.
  4. beorhthelm

    Issues relating to the EU referendum

    they are equal, just people dont seem to understand they are voting for their local MP, not directly one government, party or leader. other systems also have people who didnt vote for the party(s) in power, doesn't make it undemocratic.
  5. beorhthelm

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    isn't the whole point of the negotiated changes to adjust the views of the voters? if they aren't thinking about the UK relationship with the EU, they aren't thinking about much (probably just knee-jerk immigration). my point is that we shouldn't assume there could not be significant...
  6. beorhthelm

    Issues relating to the EU referendum

    Mr Benn would say that, but there is nothing to say there cannot be negotiations, concessions and a new proposal to be put to the people. we must recognise in the Europe model of doing politics a referendum outcome is part of the process, not its conclusion. we dont do referendums much so...
  7. beorhthelm

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    i dont think those that make this NATO point understand sovereignty. Article 5 is a treaty obligation to follow, which we can withdraw from unilaterally at the will of parliament or the government at least. the EU gradually erodes our sovereignty by taking powers away from our parliament and...
  8. beorhthelm

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    what a comical opening gambit when the power of corporations is reinforced by the EU, their blind eye to regulations on climate change mean the UK hit targets ealier while others in the club are behind, they regulate to cause deforestration in far off lands and we now know they've sacrificed...
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