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not really, its the heart of the question, the value to society inputs into the question what is justifiable for society to pay for. we didnt have this question until we decided to greatly expand the number of university places, and then asked how to pay for it.

good way of putting it. once graduated your employer will pay you substantial amounts of money to do the same. which is why i think the courses need condensing, there's no good reason a History degree needs 3 rather than 2 years. if we want to recognise more detailed research and...

i've considered this, but why would you want only those of independent means to be able to study History, Philosophy, PPE dare i say? doesn't seem a great plan. encourage science and engineering by offering larger grants for those studying them.

first off, im against tuition fees - i went on the marches, the unionist i was :wink: but when we start talking about the social justice of subbing those choosing to go to further education? very difficult to justify, unless we provide suitable three year subsidies to apprentices or those that...