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its was pointed out on a programme this weekend that there was 3 years of comparative peace, certainly not open civil war, after the Arab spring uprising/overthrow of Gadaffi. this recent anarchy has come from the internal conflict between groups that don't appear willing to accept or deal with...

its loaned. and if you dont pay back, your family back home has a visit.

its almost as if they dont have any plan or objective and just react...

so they were client states... and so we've harmed our interests? inconsistancy and contradiction abound on these issues.

yeah, best friends. Iraq is one thing (well covered) and i'll give you that. but you'll have to explain what the gain is or could be for destablising Libya. and Tunisia, Egypt (remember those). and of course Syria. the grand plan worked out so well for the west hasnt it?

maybe a point... the main point is the people did the uprising first. should we have intervened for Gaddafi? or done absolutly nothing. i actually would go with the latter, but there are plenty that wanted "something" to be done and the obvious and only realisitic option was to assist the...

why the stupid politicialisation of this issue? the west didnt cause the arab spring, and our involvment once it started in those countries was minimal. maybe that minor intervention lead to the overthrow of Gaddafi, maybe not, but by then he'd already lost power and the country was no longer...