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i didnt read it i confess. i have just skimmed over and it seems its addressing the matter of the perception of Islam in the west. this isnt the point im making. it ignores (because its not the topic) the scisms and conflicts within Islam. this is the point im making. just as christianity...

i think you should, just for a short amount of time. i mean complete history, as your view seems to be based on 20th. its like pretending that there were no conflict in Europe before 1914 and therefore the only antagonists are the Germans.

im not condemning a religion, i am seperating the different individuals, groups and sects that run through it. im higlighting that that some groups provide cover for others. time after time we see how a good upstanding young man (or here women) are corrupted by the firebrand preachers. that...

so your advocating regulating a free press to say what you want it to say, not others :wozza: breathtaking condradiction and frankly stupid. as for the state of mulsim faith in this country, of course the vast majority are not interested in the extremism. but a few are. and all too many...

i know, rule of law and all that, daft eh. you know, you're no better than they are really. or what you think they are, because we have no idea on their motivations or their sentiment to you.

they were and they did. its not an offence to leave the country and Turkey apparently dropped the communication somewhere but their minister said they never got told. i dont know about Dutch and Austrian interceptions, but i read there have been a dozen or so girls leave from the UK, oddly...

yes, comical reports this morning the parents are blaming the security services for not spying on them. no parental responsibility, no siree.

clearly you havent read any history of europe or christianity. or any other region or religion. they are all full of their extremists.