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In that starting line up he was the defensive midfielder and failed in his main duty. For club SG was box to box with a astonishing number of goals and assists, a totally different player to Rice. He best position was playing behind Torres or Suarez. For country managers got in a muddle in...

Was Rice preserving himself for club football throughout this game?

Constantly looking for pens when not fouled.

Tielemans has outclassed the likes of Rice. Belgium players have all put in a shift, even now playing their hearts out. I’m wondering if some England players are preserving themself for the obsession with PL?

Konsa was bloody awful for the Belgium second goal.

33 minutes of diabolical football by England.

Anyone but Chilwell. Shaw’s okay for England. Is he injured or out of favour at Manure?

Except when playing for Franco.

Lazy C4 analysis in the game and at HT, too busy with zzzzz ads. Rice, Gomez and Konsa all have questions to answer for goal 2. Dunk’s blunder in no way gave rise to a certain goal.

:wanker:Chilwell does a (kinda) Geoff Thomas.

Wouldn’t being part of a summer tournament England camp be the ultimate?

I meant Southgate’s obsession with Mings, not just fancying his big left foot :)

He was awful for the second goal. No interest in any incoming Belgium players.

Or is it just a higher level? Mistakes unmercifully punished against decent international teams. Dunk’s never had pace and like most PL CB’s has mistakes just like that or giving away unnecessary pens. But for us against most PL opponents, LD is the glue that holds us together, great...

Where was Stones, and Konsa was shocking in the moment too ….. ball watching in no man’s land.

Colwill?

Was it the pace as well?

I think Villa fans have deemed Tielemans shit. England play him into form with non existent defending.

Let the binfest begin.

He’s just a poor man’s Michael Keane.