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That's fair enough. If we have a season of uninspiring football, and finish 17th, I imagine some fans won't renew, but I still don't see that as a disaster, it would still be better than giving it a right old go and finishing 18th.

Because it's bloody obvious, and even if it wasn't he went on to spell it out: 'If we finish 17th again, it doesn’t matter how many points it is by.' Why do we have to? What will happen if we don't?

This particular season, there were far more against us than for us. It doesn't always even itself out.

What about our penalty against Burnley?

Not really, we already expect Izquierdo's place to be up for grabs for the first few months of the season, so it wouldn't be a problem if Glenn takes that place, as well as recruiting a new striker. Glenn would be an option from the bench when others are either suspended or not fit to play.

Yes it is. No, that's one interpretation, but not what Glenn Murray meant. He meant we don't have to improve our league position. If you offered Klopp 90 points next season (that's 7 fewer than this season), with the condition that it was more than any other team, do you think he's say 'No...

What a crap analogy. If you put the 20 best managers in the world in charge of the 20 PL teams, and let each of them select the best players from around the world, with no limits, and they all did their jobs well, 3 of the teams would still be relegated. It's not like that in other lines of work.

Yes of course there is more ambition. But want and need are different things. The suggestion put to him was that we must improve. I wouldn't read too much into it. If we finish 17th again, it'll be a bit disappointing, but at least we'd have stayed in the PL again, which will help with finances...

Well he's right. We want to improve, but we don't have to improve.