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Could you please post a quote and link where Animal Aid suggests that stunning animals before slaughter is a bad idea. Yes. Hopefully that's an area that can be improved. Are you suggesting, that instead of trying to improve stunning, that we just don't bother with stunning animals, because it's...

But it accepts that many people want to eat meat, and it encourages that meat be slaughtered in as good a way as possible, right? So given that I don't want to give up all animal products, I would prefer that animals be stunned before they are slaughtered, and the website seems to be ok with...

Firstly, there is a point in arguing, because we can all learn more and become better placed to make an informed decision. You want a 'humane killer' type of gun to be used. I think you're probably referring to a bolt, which is a form of stunning, not killing. The animals we eat are not killed...

Well I've looked at the website, and it doesn't seem to be against stunning - I think it's pro stunning, is it not? Vets etc are also pro stunning. So what are you saying?

Are you sure? It's only 44:13 long.

But how is it cruel if the animals have been stunned first? Just check your preferred supermarket ensures all their own brand meat is from animals stunned before slaughter. What are you suggesting I do, become a vegan? Since that's not something I'm prepared to do, are you suggesting I just...

No. Obviously not all slaughter houses have Muslims blessing their animals etc. The problem is, you can't often be sure it's not halal. As above, if you get lamb from New Zealand, it probably is halal, as they sell so much meat to the middle east. I'm sure there are some countries that wouldn't...

It makes commercial sense to treat all the animals the same, but I'm not sure it's a rule. If they don't bless some of the animals, that doesn't suddenly mean that none of the animals are halal. They do communicate it. Tesco and Sainsbury's say that all of their own brand meat is stunned before...

I have looked into it. Research has been done at university's (inc Bristol I think) about how much pain an animal is in when they are stunned and slaughtered, vs when they are not stunned, and the results show they are in less pain when they are stunned first. I don't fancy watching it right...

While I can imagine it being the case that Halal abattoirs only do halal, they don't have to according to halal rules do they? Each animal is individual. Yes you're right, I'm not outraged, but I think the original point was that choosing not to have halal was being against Muslims, rather than...

I won't get halal meat because of animal welfare, so the students can eat out - it's win / win. You'd be wrong then. The only reason I won't buy halal meat is because I want animals to be stunned before they are slaughtered. It's not against halal rules for them to be stunned, but if you buy...

Not disagreeing with your general point, but... are you seriously telling me that people thought KFC used free range chicken? Presumably McD use battery farms too, along with most places we get chicken?

Do Kelloggs have to pay to have their cereal halal certified? I can't find a halal symbol on my cereal, and if there was one, why would they have to pay? I don't think any animals are in it.

Although it's the same god, Christians don't believe Mohamed was a profit, and it's wrong for Christians to worship another religion. But it is ok for them to eat Halal, as long as: 1) It's not being done in a religious way (eg, if the person serving said this is Halal meat to worship Allah. 2)...

Yes, all meat eaters here do, as some halal food isn't labelled as halal. That's not correct. So? I'm sure there are other things that a part of their legal system that we don't mind. I don't buy meat labelled as halal because of this. The bible does not prohibit the consumption of halal meat...