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The home secretary can obviously have influence and probably a lot of powers to enforce that view. However, when home secretaries have the final say on justice instead of trail judges this country is doomed.

Sorry but for me you are very wrong. Not all murders are the same and they certainly do not receive consistent sentances. Agreed the maximum tariff is whole life, or life with recommended term. However the judge is advised by guidelines but not bound by them.

I thought so too........:kiss:

Take it how you like, expand it or demean it how you like. Doesn't bother me. I don't intend a debate, everyone views things as they choose.

Am I arguing at all? Nope just the statement that's all.

From whatever I have read, from whatever opinion I have heard. It is obvious Ched Evans will never play football in this country again unless a club take a punt, the media (including mob social) can't be arsed about him, something worse takes the limelight (or after his judicial restrictions are...

Having commented on this thread previously I will not be entering into any argument about the employability of Ched Evans. I just have one question. If you were employing people (for whatever role) would you demand or want a CRB/DBS automatically? This could be for any reason, self...

and that's why I set up an employee drug and alcohol testing service so that I can profit on that. Indeed I help companies and professional organisations 'can' anyone I catch. Including checkable records for people to check online forever (subject to the right to be forgotten laws) For me the...

Glasfryn I was being a little tounge in cheek. Do we leave punishment up to the courts or do we feel we have the right to restrict employment and trade after punishment?

The main issue on this thread seems to be disagreement with the way our justice system works. Perhaps if proper sentences were awarded and served then perhaps society wouldn't be so keen on further retribution.

lol, oh yes I see what you did there.

We, the public elect those who should represent us. In turn they make the laws we should abide by. The system elects the judges that oversee our justice system as well as defining the sentencing charts that govern said judges. Rape is an affront to all. That being said our Justice system spoke...

The only reason I can think of is as I said because you are pissed about a wrongful arrest and wasting your time so you want revenge, spend money from the public purse for nothing and then make them look dicks in front of the judge! Pitiful I know but some might think that way.

Thanks for that. So if you have an ace of cards up your sleeve in your defence you have to spill it immediately if asked, so you don't make an ass of the cps and/or police and then waste the public money I presume. Bit unfair that if you would like to make an ass of them in a public arena for...

How does our version of modern day justice sit with people with phrases like 'balance of probability' or 'joint enterprise'? Worries me. I always thought, perhaps naively with this new jargon, that you could not be found guilty if there was an element of doubt. Are these new schemes designed to...

I agree with you however, those that work with ex cons who have served time will tell you that rehabilitation is a bit hit and miss. It depends on the level of staff, availability of 'courses' and the time behind bars to dedicate to the individual prisoner. At this time there are over 83,000...

try reading a little further, if the first sentence resulted in imprisonment, always disclosed........if not, well I guess the offender got lucky then. Why don't we comment on all the original arguments instead of trying to prove each other wrong. Do you think it is ok for society to further...

Oh you numpty, that filtering really goes a long way doesn't it, covering so many convictions on so many counts.....jeez people like you sometimes have no idea and YES it's the first time I have ever been rude to someone on here! Have you actually examined the bloody thing? Like stealing a...

Right, enjoyed the debate so far but am off out to lunch now. Be back later.

I cant disagree with your points about certain professions enacting their own punishments on individuals and perhaps footballers should be included but, where do we go from here then? Are ex cons to be jobless for life living off of my/our tax in benefits?