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Somehow a thread about Martinez's dignity at the Hillsborough Memorial Service turned into a tedious Gus-whining thread. Someone might want to put that in here as well. Just wondering if Brighton's worst pub will segue into that as well.

Stick it all in Poyet's Corner.

All valid points, but Martinez is five years ahead of Poyet in PL management terms. Stoke and Sunderland I'd say should be on a par with each other in terms of 'top club' listings or size. The point I'm making is, a relegation on your CV doesn't necessarily disqualify you from a 'top club'...

Everton took on a manager who had taken his previous side down. He's not doing too badly. Stoke City have a manager with a relegation on his CV too.

This is an interesting point. Many Brighton fans blame Poyet; many Sunderland fans for quite a while have blamed the long-standing set-up and culture which has been allowed to fester. If big noise characters like Di Canio nor Poyet can't sort it out, Sunderland could well hit the skids. That...