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Me too! You didn't leave me much choice as you've only, repeatedly, mentioned athletes getting life bans throughout this entertaining discussion.

The current crop are clean, and those that aren't are caught. This generation of cyclists are the every epitome of 'paying for someone else's crime'. You're assuming it's just the athletes, it's not it's the coaches, managers, physios, doctors, sponsors, manufacturers, governing bodies...

Which is why nobody will ever say 'cycling is clean'. You realise you're contradicting yourself. People will always try to cheat, that's how we got here in the first place. Cheating, top to bottom, is considerably more profitable than clean sport. Athletes will happily pay for the best products...

Riders will be banned or sacked, which is much the same as they're instantly persona non grata. Pro-tour teams would be removed, but as that hasn't happened it again suggests team wide doping is in the past. What has happened is second tier teams become blacklisted, and don't receive...

Nobody is brave enough to say cycling has solved the problem, what it's done is minimize it. What cycling did, is doing, is going after accountability, the teams are responsible for the actions of their riders, and the teams are paying for it, literally. Each of the 20 World Tour teams have to...

It's not the only way. The similarities, even from the very beginning of the modern era, between athletics and cycling means you might as well be talking about the same sport. The only difference is cycling finally confronted it's demons and as a result it's 20 years ahead of athletics, and...

Still it could be worse:- Thankfully so many lessons have been learned, there was only 2 convicted drugs cheats on the start line tonight.

5 current sprints named. 2 kids 2 previously banned I Usain Bolt.

I'm surprised none of that sounds familiar to you.

The Jamaican sprinting programme has the most positive drug tests of any nation, since the unification of Germany.

Yes although we tend to look the other way when 'good' athletes are doing EXACTLY regimes as their 'bad' colleagues.

Seriously? That has to be the most 'head in the sand' comment on NSC ever.