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I really can't see how anyone can consider Burnley as "certs". They might go down of course, and alright they've started badly, but they were good enough to qualify for Europe a few months ago. Now that they are out, they are going to be more focused on the league anyway. The only certs IMO...

I think his point stands - the NSC NigeIs were all saying their performances (post De Boer) were much better than results suggested, and West Ham were never "dead and buried". After 10 games, they were 16th...