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Oh give over FFS. You forget, I see your Facebook feed. It's not like black people are prominent. It's not like they are on mine either, mind (or Wozzas) but then I'm not pretending to speak for them.

I'm sorry, but that's condescending nonsense. It suggests nothing of the sort. I'm talking about 21st century BRITAIN - I don't really care what black people elsewhere think about it. Black people in the US, for example, face (and have faced) very different types of discrimination from...

You can't make that call - that's no better than being the white bloke from Bexhill. Apart from anything else, @Buzzer has already told you of one such person. That's why I'm out of the debate - it's almost pointless discussing it with anyone who isn't a black Brit. I won't be told it's...

That's your opinion, not a fact. In this example, blacking up served only to be explicit about who the joke was about. I'm sure he would argue that his intention was no different from yours or mine if we put on a ginger wig to impersonate, say, Chris Evans. This of course is the crux of the...

Indeed there is, but you didn't afford the bloke in the darts audience that distinction - he's just a racist tosser according to some people on here. Yeah this is a good example of prevailing attitudes changing in a fairly short space of time. That said, if I heard someone use that term now in...

So they haven't then.

Boris Johnson and Call me Dave were at Oxford. Can't we just BAN Oxbridge undergraduates from standing for parliament?

He's not a bell end if he GENUINELY didn't realise he was offending the black community. On the other hand, he is exactly that if he did, and just thought "it's PC gone mad isn't it"

True! Funnily enough, I just went to get a cup of tea and while away was thinking "what am I actually looking for here?" and I concluded that I was looking for first hand evidence from several black people. Clearly I'm on the wrong forum for that! :lolol:

I'm undecided on it so far, but I'm not persuaded by some of the shithouse arguments on this thread, on either side. Sometimes it doesn't pay to be glib, particularly when it is not clear cut one way or the other.

Your point about workers wanting to keep their job is well made, but you're still talking as if your point of view is fact when it isn't. You say "that 'blacking up' to mock a person of colour is inherently offensive". Well yes it is, but it's debatable that this is what has happened here...

@Buzzer isn't a lefty snowflake, and he's given an example of a black friend who IS offended by blacking up. I think it's a genuinely interesting discussion and it's a shame if this sinks any further to "lefty snowflake", "PC gone mad" comments on one side and "well you could always not bother...

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Genuinely? As I say, if that is your first thought when you see this, then I think you're 30 years out of date. These days, your boorish moron would far rather try and be "controversial" by lampooning a Muslim, perhaps by wearing a burkha and a sign saying "Miss Muslim world 2017" or some such...

Er, incorrect. You said "others", not "other" :smile:

Of course I wouldn't bother with the joke myself because as you can tell from my posts, I'm undecided as to whether it would offend the wrong people. To be glibly told "not to bother with the joke" doesn't actually resolve that question, it just kicks the issue into the long grass.

#18 doesn't explain "why" whatsoever, it just offers an example of a black man who is offended. I'll agree that #24 does offer an explanation, but that's literally the only explanation on the thread, and in all honesty I'd question that explanation. Not least because in 2017 I really don't...

Except nobody has actually explained it. (unless I've missed it)

I presume the reason people do black up is because there is barely any example of black figures from British history or culture you can lampoon, which is hardly surprising considering that in 1800 there were an estimated 10,000 blacks and 1,500 Asians living in the UK - from a total population...

People who whine on here about "being offended on other people's behalf", or grizzling about the PC brigade irritate me, when the truth is they should be looking at their own boorish behaviour even if the incident prompting the discussion isn't that offensive. So I have to say, I'm all for NOT...