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Looking forward to him addressing your post by dissecting it into 50 separate pieces and telling you you're confused in an attempt to make himself look intelligent. Sent from my Moto G (4) using Tapatalk

But I'm not arguing that Labour have a clear plan. I'm taking issue with YOUR laughable point that the Tories "have laid out clearly what they intend to do". As you just highlighted, they haven't done so any more than Labour.

Sorry Titanic, that reads like a wish list that every single political party would happily put in it's manifesto - I get no sense of their priorities reading that. If I'd told you that was lifted from the Labour manifesto, you probably wouldn't even think it was worth checking out to make sure...

So you're not interested in his plan then. Why didn't you just say that from the start rather than wasting his time insisting divulged his plan? Ok chaps, larus, Titanic and Triggaaar, I can accept that showing the opposition all your cards would be a BAD idea. So with that in mind...

Triggaaar, let's put it another way. You don't think it is possible to put a plan in place. However, Titanic said this about the Tories: Can either of you explain what Titanic means by this? To me it's the sort of nonsense you'd expect from Soulman.

You want Pavillionaire to provide a plan (on an internet message board, today, seemingly) and when he started formulating a plan you decided a plan was impossible to give. Double standards. And it really isn't impossible at all anyway.

So why did you do that then? :rolleyes: That is why I consider you as having your fingers in your ears. It's no more pathetic than your double standards above really is it? I'm afraid so. We are heading for a Tory government with a carte blanche to do as they please. I just can't believe...

I spluttered on reading this, but then thought "no, maybe he's right and I should look at their manifesto to see what they intend to do" Here is their manifesto: https://s3.eu-west-2.amazonaws.com/manifesto2017/Manifesto2017.pdf Brexit is mentioned 15 times, nearly always in the context "we...

He has given a couple of examples of issues that clearly haven't been thought through. The fact that you are even trying to pick holes in these genuine concerns suggests that you are happy for the Tories to carry on unaccountably and with no credible plan. You're a lost cause as it doesn't...

Good news for the Tories is that the weather is shite in the north today. A 50 seat majority beckons methinks. :down:

I genuinely don't understand what Mrs May has actually done to make people believe that she will deliver a decent deal. She hasn't had the decency to explain how she is going to deliver anything whatsoever, Brexit or otherwise, in this election. :shrug: No I'm working on the basis that Labour...

Under the Tories, Brexit is a disaster waiting to happen as this particular group are utterly clueless. They haven't even bothered costing a manifesto, and they don't like discussing any issues (to the extent May won't even appear on TV debates). But worst of all, the whole party is being held...

Our company's macro economist has just advised "Anyone But Conservative". He ended up his long piece justifying this with the words: "For some, including myself, this may mean holding your nose and voting Labour for the first time in your life. Do this for our children’s future." Wise, wise...

From Google: hold all the cards phrase of card 1. be in a very strong or advantageous position. Just so that we're clear what my words mean, because you appear to be struggling with this. The EU are in a far stronger position than we are. Yes of course we import stuff from the EU, but that...

Rubbish - you're playing semantics in an effort to enhance your point of view. Regardless, the truth is that we have hardly anything to bargain with. No deal leaves us far worse off than the rest of the EU, and because of the 2 year limit, any deal that will be done will be done on their...

I'd say that May took a lot of Brexiters from the start because of her rhetoric on demanding a strengthened hand. People are beginning to see this as the clear bullshit it is though. Not everyone of course. Actually, this issue is far more of a nightmare for the Lib Dems - their rump of...

Yes, they are indeed up north. Or at least were, before her absolutely dreadful campaign containing absolutely zero substance became apparent. I genuinely think the number of labour leaning voters who end up voting tory will be far smaller than you think. You have to be kidding. We are about...

No more so than with Theresa May leading negotiations - she is f**king useless and is surrounded by utter nobs who talk like we're absolutely enormous players on the world stage. Take Michael Howard, who thought he'd help out by talking about going to war with the Spanish if they held us to...