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This is the point - Hornby is allowed to cherry pick results. You know, by excluding our best ever tournament results, to arrive at a meaningless "point" that we rarely beat top 8 sides. It's just that unfortunately there are these pesky things called facts that point out that we actually DO...

Yes, a fact proven by their progress to the semis where they were unlucky to go out, and then 2 years later won the Euros. :facepalm: I know they were in pot three but only because qualification was a mess. France's qualification group contained 1974 and 1978 World Cup runners-up Holland...

They got to the World Cup semi finals in 1982 and then won the European Championship in 1984. But I'm sure you and Hornby are right. You stick with Hornby's bollocks, I'll go with the facts. :thumbsup:

Yes, I agree, my point is a load of shit. But it's a response to a similarly shit observation from Hornby. The point you are inexplicably missing, you div, is that we are always going to get knocked out eventually, unless we WIN it. What difference does it make who knocks us out in the...

Since I've been following football in 1982, I can think of: Germany in the Euros in the 90s, Argentina in 2002, Holland in 1996, France 1982 Just the FOUR then. But how many times have we been beaten by top 8 sides in major tournaments in matches in 120 mins in that time (excluding PKs)...

It's probably "can you think of a man who has served his time winning trophies in smaller European leagues, taken a small unfashionable club to the UEFA cup final, and who has national team experience by leading a small country with limited resources to major competitions?"

100% agree with the exception of the last sentence - if it was a crime to be middle class and like football, half of NSC would be in prison. However I'm amazed that someone as intelligent as Wozza pronounced such a wanky drivel as a good article, and he did it on Facebook too. It is absolute...

Given that some boys are not fully grown up at U17, I'm afraid it doesn't mean an awful lot. Why, I hear you ask? Well because if our coaching methods are such that physical strength is prized over skill and technique at 16 years old, then any talented but less developed kids have already...

No it isn't, it's a terrible, lazy article. He's talking like nobody has ever considered that we've never been good. Well it has been considered and it's not true. The fact is, we have been good, and we ARE one of only 8 nations ever to have won it. How many knockout matches have we ever...

Spot on I'm afraid. Just because they're "young and exciting", doesn't mean they're any better than young and exciting in other countries, and as you correctly point out, they're no better than their equivalents from any point in the past 2 or 3 decades. They are, however, massively overrated...

I think there is merit in what Mellotron says (not least because I also said it :thumbsup: ). The whole group was tight - every game was settled by one goal except the one between the top two sides.

This round of 16 has served to depress me. Without overstating the problem, it seems clear that we belong in a second tier group of nations. We were unlucky with our group and just as unlucky with the order in which we played our games - I still maintain that Costa Rica got lucky by playing...