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I agree with nearly all of that! :D

Two points. Drew called me anti police. Not the worst insult ever but he still did. I have managed to get over it. Second one is I never said he was banned for association. He was banned for chucking a pint at someone mostly and having drugs. But it was used to paint the guy in a worse light...

But TB he isn't? Guilty beyond reasonable doubt. It's the basis of the judicial system. Yes it means that guilty people get off but it also makes it less likely that innocent people are found guilty.

Flip side Drew is what if he was watching or passing by or waiting for a bus? I get that he probably wasn't but if they don't have the evidence to charge him, then they don't have evidence and that should be end of it. If he was say a Burglar you wouldn't be able to say he was seen near this...

I agree, but crime should not have a lower evidential level for football than any other crime.

As I understand it that was exactly how the evidence was presented. After all, they didn't manage to secure a conviction did they? Firstly, you accuse me of being anti police and now I am a hooligan. Burnt any books lately? Why does the level of evidence required for a case involving football...

Drew's main point seemed to be that I was anti Police :D It is true I do not know the exact details of this case. However, FSF has many examples of the police banning people for association rather than actions at clubs across the country. I don't think this can be described as justice. If you...

Why do people like you bother replying when you are too lazy to read what is written? I never said the bloke was innocent, this isn't my mate I don't know him. He clearly threw a pint over someone and had drugs. Fact as you put it. What I object to is the Police adding in evidence that he had...

Firstly, I don't think there was a miscarriage at all. I'm just uncomfortable with the Police overegging the pudding with supposition. Appeals need new evidence by the way. Not sure that is very likely when its a case of throwing a pint over someone.. If however, you are happy to be guilty of...

Firstly I don't have an anti police agenda. I do have a pro justice one but anyone who thinks we don't need the Police is an idiot. I just want them to present the facts in court. If they don't have the evidence to charge someone with an offence they shouldn't be allowed to use it as they...

You keep on trusting. Tooth fairy and father Christmas will be along soon. It's not evidence to say joe blogs was in the same street as some trouble and therefore he must be involved. If it is I expect to be arrested any day as I've have seen a fair bit of trouble following the Albion for the...

Scary that so many see no problem with 'evidence' that someone was in the same area as trouble and/or knew people who engaged in violence. If you throw a pint over someone you can't be surprised to get a ban, but to support the prosecution case with hearsay and conjecture is a disgrace and an...