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Guess we will agree to disagree...

If you think that there would've been a 5 year ban without the deaths? I doubt there would've been any ban at all. I'm not trying to muddy anything just pointing out that there was no ban for Berne or Ajax or Rotterdam or Turin or any of the numerous other instances of violence in the ground...

A suitable and safe stadium may well have saved the people. How on earth did 'an accumulation of events from English fans cause this atrocity'? Are you saying that all the other outbreaks of hooliganism were a practice for Heysel? Without the scousers fighting the rest doesn't happen, but with...

If the ban had really been about humanity or justice, then surely the people who declared Heysel suitable for a european final should've been punished? As should the idiots on crowd control. A ban for Liverpool would've have been a reasonable response, but banning all English clubs was clearly...