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You said there was no benefit. Ive just proven there is. At the end of the day you have linked this to principles and so am i. If you want to add relative value then fine but value is subjective. Value is cumulative, if you go from not affording a free flight to getting over the threshold to get...

Im not sure (unless Ive missed it) that this was the case. The father's response was vague and equivocal so not sure he took a position one way or another (however as I say I may have missed it)

Quite possibly. But given a lot of weight was given to whether he read a poorly worded generic email then putting extra doubt would have been consistent with the aproach taken

Given what we know so far, do you think the club wouldn't have introduced that if they thought it would help their case?

Yes there is, they gain airmile or clubcard points or whatever scheme the credit card operates to incentivise people to use ita product and reward loyalty/priority

Thanks for the detail. We dont know of the sons girlfriend in this case was an albion plus member (suspect not) so againmaybe not material other than not stealing loyalty points off season ticket holders

But you accept that if someone has their credit card cloned they dont get convicted of fraud but also dont get the airmiles. That is literally the exact same thing here. Avios have policies to prevent harvesting airmiles when purchasing flight tickets but that doesnt extend to the person who has...

One other thing, it would appear that the club has now altered its statement on the website to remove the name of the individual they punished. Given it was up there for a fair while, I do wonder if they have apologised for that? Given the privacy laws in the UK anything that magnifies sharing...

You do understand that the football authorities have sanctioned the IFO so its not just some johnny in a pub with an opinion? You are also aware that the football authorities have also said they expect their members to abide by the decisions of the IFO? And do you understand that if a club...

I think you are confusing a concern for equity and natural justice as in some way defensing loyalty point fraud. I am not but would like the appropriate punishment to the right perpetrator. As for belittling the IFO as just an opinion, that is a level of arrogance beyond belief.

I dont believe thats strictly correct. The club wrote to him and asked him to tell them to punish his son. He wrote, what has to be said, was an unclear response back. In the same period, his son wrote to the club, admitting responsibility and asking to be punished

Especially if your son had written to the authorities, admitting their crime and asking to be punished

If it was a concern here then it would have been raised to the IFO or in any of the appeal hearings. They could have raised previous tickets bought by friends or family

I know what you are pointing out. But the fact that the perpertrator wasnt punished but the innocent stooge in the scenario was, that the clubs own communication didnt match its own policy, that hearings disnt conform to natural justice and that independently its been found wanting doesnt seem...

Nobody is arguing re a deterrent. But there is a number of aspects about this case that are concerning. The gaps in the ticketing system that sends confirmation emails to the purchaser not the ticket owner. The issue over appeal times, the equitable nature of any punishment, actions of one of...

Out of interest, did wolves away sell out? I have a feeling it went way beyond the ususal points boundaries and may not have sold out completely. If it didnt then simply taking away the loyalty points here would have put all parties in the same position as they would have been surely?

I know others have said this elsewhere, but this whole action from the club and seemingly wanting to ignore the IFO does seem to indicate there would be value in an independent regulator. When the club are so concerned about one coming in, you would think a tactical withdrawal on this would...

Given they have now named the individual on their website, i suspect criminals 1st may end up defining the club in the eyes of any data protection body. Sometimes, just sometimes a tactical apology is so much better than wanting to be right on everything